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07-09-2005, 08:19 AM
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Sabres Eye 29 Million Payroll?

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial...09/1054285.asp

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That deal will include a salary cap and revenue-sharing plan expected to help the Sabres cut their payroll by a few million dollars and increase their revenue.

Reducing the team's costs by a few million dollars per season.

The new agreement, with a reported salary floor of $24 million and a ceiling of about $37 million, will allow the team to cut its player payroll from the 2003-04 figure of $34.5 million.

The team's new payroll is expected to be just below $30 million.
With the 24 percent rollback, 03-04's 34 million, would be 26 now?

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From The NHLPA DEC. 9 Pdf
https://www.nhlpa.com/Proposal/NHLPAcomProposal.pdf
Page 147

05-06 9 Players under contract. with rollback (PG 147) Rounded Off

Drury 2.9
Mckee 1.8
Kalinin 1.3
Roy .782
Noronen .665
Fitzpatrick .532
Mair .443
Peters .342
Taylor .266

Total about 9.2 Million

Group 2 with rollback Qualifying Offer

Satan 3.8
Biron 2.1
Briere 1.9
Hecht 1.6
Dumont 1.6
Griere 1.3
Afingenov 1.1
Connolly 1.0
Pyatt 1.0
Kotalik.837
Jillson .833
Tallinder.591
Brown .585
Boulton .501
Campbell .459

Total About 19.3

Together About 28.5

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Dumping Biron and Boulton and signing Miller could shave $1.5M, to put us around $27M-ish. I hope they sign one or two players to bump it up around $30M, but I'm starting to doubt it.

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Not looking good for Z..

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Dumping Biron and Boulton and signing Miller could shave $1.5M, to put us around $27M-ish. I hope they sign one or two players to bump it up around $30M, but I'm starting to doubt it.

We could Buy out Peters and Taylor. Save another 600k

Biron,Grier,Kotalik, Could possibly trade there rights for Future picks. Or Not Qualify.

Thats almost 4 million in play. Maybe the Same For Satan, another 3.8.

Boulton,and Brown There's some play there.

I really think there are a lot of Dynamics. Buffalo could, if played Right Still build a better Team. at 29 million.

Will there be Time? Interest in the Rights to group 2's, Before they are Qualified.

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Not looking good for Z..

Hell I think Most Would Cut Biron loose, to create room for Zhitnik.

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Hell I think Most Would Cut Biron loose, to create room for Zhitnik.
I would, but I'm not certain Regier would.

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Hell I think Most Would Cut Biron loose, to create room for Zhitnik.
or perhaps, another top line d-man eg Gonchar?

i have said this before, but we are wasting money on drury and mckee, they are overpaid even with rollback.

if we don't resign Miro, then we need anonther top line guy bought in.

i would seriously consider not signing/trading Marty, connolly, pyatt, grier, fitzpatrick, and boulton. This would free up some room, no doubt. Bring in Vanek, Miller, and maybe Gaustad and pominville from Rochester.

Trust me, the Sabres are in a great position post CBA, we just need to make one or two good moves and we have a good, young, legit playoff team on a good budget

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We could Buy out Peters and Taylor. Save another 600k
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Boulton,and Brown There's some play there.
I doubt they'd cut Peters loose in favor of Boulton. I know I wouldn't.

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I doubt they'd cut Peters loose in favor of Boulton. I know I wouldn't.


My point is that those 4 are all expendable. replaceable.

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I would, but I'm not certain Regier would.
He's still an asset...and you could trade that asset for, say...a bag of pucks....

Instead of losing him for nothing...

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Eeek. This doesn't include Vanek's salary. You cut Satan, Biron, Boulton, Connolly, Boulton, Kotalik, Cambpell and Grier....you save: 9.97 million.

New Linenup:

Hecht-Briere-Dumont
Vanek-Drury-RW PF (UFA) (Nolan?)
Roy-UFA Veteran-Afinogenov
Peters-Gaustaud-Mair

extras: Pomniville, Paille, Pyatt

Kalinin-UFA D-man
McKee-Brown
Jillson-Tallinder

Miller
Noronen

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Eeek. This doesn't include Vanek's salary. You cut Satan, Biron, Boulton, Connolly, Boulton, Kotalik, Cambpell and Grier....you save: 9.97 million.

New Linenup:

Hecht-Briere-Dumont
Vanek-Drury-RW PF (UFA) (Nolan?)
Roy-UFA Veteran-Afinogenov
Peters-Gaustaud-Mair

extras: Pomniville, Paille, Pyatt

Kalinin-UFA D-man
McKee-Brown
Jillson-Tallinder

Miller
Noronen

I think i have said this before, but as much as i like Nolan, i would definately rather keep Miro, or sign a legit scorer in the FAs, like kovalev for example.

We don't need a UFA veteran 3rd liner either imo, we have enough quality and depth at center, aside from a real 1st liner of course. Maybe a trade to get some more size, but other than that we keep what we have i say.

I would also try and trade Pyatt, or just dump him, and keep Kotalik. And i would shuffle Brown to the 6th d-man. Aside from that though, i think this is a good looking roster.

And using the players below, its a real possibility of being able to sign two high profile FA's

FA/Satan - Briere - Dumont
Hecht - Drury - Kotalik
Vanek - Roy - Afinogenov
Peters - Gaustad - Mair

extras: Pominville, Paille, Bartovic, Taylor, Thorburn etc.

Kalinin - FA
McKee - Jillson
Tallinder - Brown

Noronen/Miller

It also allows for easy line shuffling, so you can play Hecht with Briere/Dumont, and push Max or Vanek up to a second/first line spot if they earn it.

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Wow 29 million is not a lot of room.More people will buy tickets if you win,and with the roster we have now,we will not win.

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Wow 29 million is not a lot of room.More people will buy tickets if you win,and with the roster we have now,we will not win.
I hope against hope that they aren't lowballing us, but with 20 teams now making the playoffs, we'd probably squeak in as-is. NOT a formula for success, but a formula for fulfilling promises to the letter, though not the spirit.

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Eeek. This doesn't include Vanek's salary. You cut Satan, Biron, Boulton, Connolly, Boulton, Kotalik, Cambpell and Grier....you save: 9.97 million.
It doesn't include Ryan Miller either. I wouldn't let Grier or Biron go. Grier really adds a spark to the team and was productive. Biron has shown much more than either Noronen or Miller. Goaltending is one position that ice time can't be awarded based on potential. Alternatively the Sabres could dump Biron and Noronen, and shop the market for a veteran to play with Miller.

I'd trade Noronen and not qualify Satan, Connolly, Jillson, Kotalik, and Pyatt. The Satan savings would be used to sign another marquee-type player. The market is going to be full of players like Connolly, Jillson, Kotalik, and Pyatt who were overpaid under the last CBA. The Sabres could even try to resign some of their own guys to lower contracts after they're not qualified.

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The article never specifically mentioned the Sabres would stay under $30 million. It just said (with the current team) the payroll is expected to be under $30 million. There could still be the possibility of additions.

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Biron has shown much more than either Noronen or Miller
This is going to be the problem with a year passing since we've watched any hockey. Biron had his chance, and he blew it.

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I hope against hope that they aren't lowballing us, but with 20 teams now making the playoffs, we'd probably squeak in as-is. NOT a formula for success, but a formula for fulfilling promises to the letter, though not the spirit.

20 teams making the playoffs... when did this happen... i havent read this in any of the rumors... do tell if its a true rumor.

Hypo- 20 teams making the playoffs would be nice. If we played the same way we have done in the last 3 years (suck the 1st half, win the 2nd half) we'd actually might make the playoffs than...

I would like to see how this is done tho

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I think we should get rid of any discussion of buying out Peters...
His salary with rollback will be like .382 (or something like that)

1st) U still have to pay him 2/3 of the contract

2nd) You need an enforcer hes better than Boulton.

3) If your looking to save money, dont qualify Boulton and keep Peters.

4) I doubt you will find a better cheaper replacement than Peters at .382
If anyone has any thoughts of a better cheaper replacement let us know. But you would still have to trade him for nothing or buy 2/3 of the contract

I hope this idea is now off the table.

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I've seen it all over the place -- I believe I've seen it from Spector, Hockeybird and Tom Benjamin. I coulda sworn I saw it here on HFBoards

Here, in USAToday: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...tm?POE=SPOISVA


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It doesn't include Ryan Miller either. I wouldn't let Grier or Biron go. Grier really adds a spark to the team and was productive. Biron has shown much more than either Noronen or Miller. Goaltending is one position that ice time can't be awarded based on potential. Alternatively the Sabres could dump Biron and Noronen, and shop the market for a veteran to play with Miller.

I'd trade Noronen and not qualify Satan, Connolly, Jillson, Kotalik, and Pyatt. The Satan savings would be used to sign another marquee-type player. The market is going to be full of players like Connolly, Jillson, Kotalik, and Pyatt who were overpaid under the last CBA. The Sabres could even try to resign some of their own guys to lower contracts after they're not qualified.
You make great sense in keeping Grier. I like what he brings to the table.
However, I would only disagree with you on the Kotalik issue. He had done more than say connolly and pyatt and still has alot up his sleeve. If my evulation is higher than yours do let me know.

BUt i agree we need to had one or two marquee players providing the price is right.
I would say one on offence and one on defence. But we the price def had to be right since the news of us still having a tight budget.

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Hmm

Biron- You Either have to Give Miller and Norronen there shot or Cut Ties.


Peters,Boulton, Et-Al- The Days of The Enforcer are hopefully finally at an end. Mair And Guastad bring more to the Table. The Others are a waste of Dollars.

Marquee players- Adding them to the Current Roster is a pipe dream. There will have to be Subtraction. Before Addition.

I believe the below 30 million mark, is more then Casual. 29 million will be the target.

Even Status Quo on The Roster. The Team Can Make The Playoffs. Vanek and the Progression of Roy make it Better.
And I think The Team can Compete on The New OT rules and Shootouts.

My suspicion is they will go to the season, with what they have.

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Even Status Quo on The Roster. The Team Can Make The Playoffs. Vanek and the Progression of Roy make it Better.
And I think The Team can Compete on The New OT rules and Shootouts.

My suspicion is they will go to the season, with what they have.
This team has no defense watsoever, if we dont add anyone on D then we will be one of the worst teams in the NHL imo.

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4) I doubt you will find a better cheaper replacement than Peters at .382
If anyone has any thoughts of a better cheaper replacement let us know. But you would still have to trade him for nothing or buy 2/3 of the contract
Is there a minimum salary in the CBA rumored to be approved? I know there was a $300K one in the owners February proposal, but I'm not sure if there's one now. If there's no minimum or it's kept at $150K guys like Peters are going to be cut en masse. I don't think it'll happen in 2005 due to the short time there will be to assemble rosters, but guys like Peters, Boulton, and Campbell are going to end up making the league minimum when everything shakes out.

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