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02-22-2014, 01:54 AM
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Who is the most journeyed journeyman of all time?

Who is the most journeyed journeyman of all time, counting all major & minor professional, semi-pro, senior + European elite & non-elite senior level club hockey, teams? Only discount under20 junior & collegiate amateur.

Who would go down in the Guinness Book Of Records as playing for the most teams of all time?

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Mike Sillinger

1. Adirondack Red Wings (AHL)
2. Detroit Red Wings (NHL)
3. Mighty Ducks of Anaheim (NHL)
4. Vancouver Canucks (NHL)
5. Philadelphia Flyers (NHL)
6. Tampa Bay Lightning (NHL)
7. Florida Panthers (NHL)
8. Ottawa Senators (NHL)
9. Columbus Blue Jackets (NHL)
10. Phoenix Coyotes (NHL)
11. St. Louis Blues (NHL)
12. Nashville Predators (NHL)
13. NY Islanders (NHL)
14. Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL)

This is the most I could find as of now. Maybe there's a guy with more.

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02-22-2014, 03:29 AM
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Don Cherry bounced around a lot in the minors his whole career. I'm sure there are others similar to him in the AHL. In the NHL I always though Michel Petit and Mike Sillinger were the first to come to mind. Gary "Suitcase" Smith has got to be #1 for goalies here.

Is that a good thing to be remembered this way?

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Bobby Sheehan

Drafted by Montreal in 69
Retired from the game 83

Canadiens
Voyageurs
California Seals
New York Raiders
NY Golden Blades
NJ Knights
Edmonton Oilers
Chicago Blackhawks
Detroit Red Wings
Rhode Island Reds
New Haven Nighthawks
Indianapolis Racers
New York Rangers
Fort Worth Texans
Colorado Rockies
Los Angeles Kings
Binghampton Whalers

17 Teams over 14yrs, on separate occasions with one or more season breaks/interruptions with New Haven & Montreal. Arguably the New York Raiders, Golden Blades & Jersey Knights of the WHA was essentially the same team in terms of personnel, but legally, full name changes, separate teams.

Old School, the most traveled player pre 1945 just within the NHL itself was Carl Voss who played for 7 of the previous 10 NHL Clubs.

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Don Cherry bounced around a lot in the minors his whole career. I'm sure there are others similar to him in the AHL. In the NHL I always though Michel Petit and Mike Sillinger were the first to come to mind. Gary "Suitcase" Smith has got to be #1 for goalies here.

Is that a good thing to be remembered this way?
Yes I think so Phil. Shows persistence, certain joie de vivre, love for the game.....

And Cherry? 10 pro Teams in total, some with breaks of several seasons before returning....

Suitcase Smith? 17.

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This is an interesting question. One guy who always comes to mind for me as logging a lot of frequent flyer miles was Mathieu Schneider. I dunno if Schneider qualifies as a "journeyman" from a qualitative point of view as he was really more of a specialist, but he certainly got around.

1. Sherbrooke Canadiens
2. Montreal Canadiens
3. New York Islanders
4. Toronto Maple Leafs
5. New York Rangers
6. L.A. Kings
7. Detroit Red Wings
8. Anaheim Ducks
9. Atlanta Thrashers
10. Vancouver Canucks
11. Phoenix Coyotes
12. Manitoba Moose

Schneider played in the league for two decades, and in that time suited up for ten different franchises, for which he wore ten different numbers. I guess he belongs more in the "suitcase" category than the journeyman's club, but he's the most passed-around NHL player that I can recall, at any rate. Maybe I'm just remembering Schneider because he was actually kind of good.

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Thats only (or most) NA Leagues. But what about Euros?

Here for example LAdislav Nagy -

1. HC Kosice - SVK
2. MHK Michalovce - SVk 2
3. Halifax Mooseheads - QMJHL
Worcester IceCats - AHL
St. Louis Blues - NHL
Phoenix Coyotes - NHL
Dallas Stars - NHL
Los Angeles Kings - NHL
MORA IK - Elitserien
Severstal Cherepovets - KHL
HC Presov - SVK 2
HK SKP Poprad - SVK
MODO - Elitserien
Lev Poprad - KHL
Dinamo Minsk - KHL
16. Jokerit Helsinki - SM Liga

And he is not done. He is only 34.

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Larry Hillman

Another member of Club17. From 1954-1976, he played for 17 different teams and again, some separated by seasons coming or going. I remember him as a Leaf in Toronto from 1960 to 67, though he spent most of his time on the farm club in Rochester as he was odd man out behind Brewer, Horton, Baun, Stanley & other greats, but called up frequently when injuries hit the blue line. Nothing spectacular about Hillman but he was certainly NHL caliber, very steady, dependable. Just happened to get stuck on a team with depth, was very useful as a call-up, Imlach liked him, wouldnt trade him & strengthen anyone elses back end.

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I don't know if it entirely fits the narrative of the thread but a case of a player who played [?] for a bunch of different teams without any significant form of substance for it is Fred Doherty. He played one game each for five different NHA & NHL clubs in Renfrew Creamery Kings, Toronto Blueshirts, Quebec Bulldogs, Montreal Wanderers and Montreal Canadiens, without any goals, assists or PIMs for it. He also did the same with the Halifax Crescents in the MPHL. Wonder why or what that was. Otherwise he played mostly in the OPHL & MPHL with Galt, Moncton and Guelph and did pretty well.

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Another member of Club17. From 1954-1976, he played for 17 different teams and again, some separated by seasons coming or going. I remember him as a Leaf in Toronto from 1960 to 67, though he spent most of his time on the farm club in Rochester as he was odd man out behind Brewer, Horton, Baun, Stanley & other greats, but called up frequently when injuries hit the blue line. Nothing spectacular about Hillman but he was certainly NHL caliber, very steady, dependable. Just happened to get stuck on a team with depth, was very useful as a call-up, Imlach liked him, wouldnt trade him & strengthen anyone elses back end.
This forum had a project a while back, trying to find out who had played alongside the most HOFers during their career. Hillman barely edged out Chris Chelios for #1, with over 50 HoF teammates. I don't think that record can be broken.

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Hannes Hyvönen.

1992-1994 Kärpät (FEL)
1994-1998 TPS U20 + TPS (FEL)
1994-1996 Kiekko-67 (in Division I)
1998-2000 Blues (FEL)
2000-2001 HIFK (FEL)
2001-2002 San Jose Sharks
2001-2002 Cleveland Barons
2002-2003 Columbus Blue Jackets
2003-2005 Färjestad (SHL)
2004-2005 Ilves (FEL)
2005-2006 Gotteron (NLA)
2005-2006 Jokerit (FEL)
2006-2008 Kärpät AGAIN! (FEL)
2008-2009 Södertälje (SHL)
2008-2010 Dinamo Minsk (KHL)
2009-2010 Ak Bars Kazan (KHL)
2010-2011 Rapperswil (NLA)
2010-2011 Traktor Chelyabinsk (KHL)
2010-2011 HIFK AGAIN (FEL)
2011-2012 Färjestad AGAIN! (SHL)
2012-2013 Karlskrona (Allsvenskan)
2013-2014 Kongsvinger (Norway-2)

38 years of age, so might still have a few years left in him. During this time he's played for six different FEL teams, one Division 1 team in Finland, 2 SHL teams, 1 Allsvenskan team, 2 NHL teams, 1 AHL team, 2 NLA team, 3 KHL teams, and a Norwegian 2nd tier league team. So 19 different teams, with a few teams where he's played twice in his career.

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Jarod Skalde played for 26 pro teams!

Greg Hawgood played for 19 pro teams.

Anders Eriksson played for 19 pro teams.

Josh Green played for 19 pro teams.

Dallas Eakins played for 18 pro teams.

Igor Ulanov played for 18 pro teams.

Reid Simpson played for 18 pro teams.

Bobby Dollas played for 17 pro teams and 2 semi pro.

Randy Robataille played for 17 pro teams.

Jon Sim played for 17 pro teams.

Kip Miller played for 16 pro teams.

Michel Petit played for 16 pro teams.

Jim Dowd played for 16 pro teams.

Tony Hrkac played for 16 pro teams.

Kevin Miller played for 16 pro teams.

Kenny Hammond played for 15 pro teams.

They are the ones who played in the NHL I can find with over 15 teams. (apart from ones previously mentioned.)

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Hmm... here are a few i counted.

Bobby Dollas - 19
Reid Simpson - 18
Randy Robitaille - 17
Jim Dowd - 17
Michel Petit - 17
Wayne Rivers - 14
Wayne Connelly - 14
Ted Hampson - 13
Ron Ward - 12

edit: oops, someone beat me to some of them, & we have slightly divergent counts

edit 2: i used hockeydb & included the Canadian National Team in above counts because they had a full-time touring schedule, i otherwise wouldn't include say the Olympics or World Championship teams or national teams for exhibition tournaments in the count


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anyway, good answers! i knew there had to be a few guys like Hyvonen & Skalde up in the twenties. if you figure a lot of guys from the O6 era onwards had careers of 15-20+ years, there have to be a few who have done some serious bouncing around between leagues & levels.

there were well-travelled O6 minor leaguers who had their careers extended by NHL & WHA expansion in the 70s, giving them opportunities to play for more teams. by the 80s there was a lot of overseas exchange of players + movement between the expanding Euro leagues.

guys nowadays if they stay healthy can have 25 year careers if they want. i'm thinking one day a kid is gonna leave the CHL thinking "i know i'm not good enough to make the NHL, so i'm just going to try to see the world while playing hockey!" & sign with a club in a different country each year.

which leads to two related questions:

who has played in the most countries?
who has played in the most leagues? [again excluding u20 jr. & collegiate]

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I think I count 32 teams for Trevor Jobe :

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=2541

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more i counted:

Michel Picard - 17
James Desmarais - 16
Eric Bertrand - 16

these were just randoms pulled from the 04-05 LNAH scoring leaders list. which leads me to believe there is some hidden minor leaguer/Euro traveller out there we have yet to dig up who has a more battered suitcase than any of the guys thus far mentioned

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I think I count 32 teams for Trevor Jobe :

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=2541



alright, now we're getting somewhere!

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I think I count 32 teams for Trevor Jobe :

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=2541
33 if you count Roller-hockey.

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Michel Petit

Looks like another Club17 member, 19 with return stints...

Vancouver Canucks
Fredericton Express
New York Rangers
Quebec Nordiques
Toronto Maple Leafs
Los Angeles Kings
Calgary Flames
Tampa Bay Lightning
Edmonton Oilers
Philadelphia Flyers
Detroit Vipers
Phoenix Coyotes
Chicago Wolves
Las Vegas Thunder
Frankfurt Lions
Bolzano HC

oops, see he's been mentioned...

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33 if you count Roller-hockey.
Wikipedia says:

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He is known for being a well-traveled, high scoring forward who has played for 35 different teams[1] across North America and Europe.

Jobe finished his career with a total of 608 goals and 636 assists for a total of 1244 points over 17 season in the minor leagues but never played a game in the National Hockey League. His 608 career goals is the 8th highest total in minor league history.
Jobe thread here: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1088961

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Jaromir Jagr might have the most for a Hall of Famer.

1. Kladno HC
2. Pittsburgh Penguins
3. Bolzano HC
4. Gelsenkirchener EC
5. Washington Capitals
6. New York Rangers
7. Avangard Omsk
8. Philadelphia Flyers
9. Dallas Stars
10. Boston Bruins
11. New Jersey Devils

(and counting)

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Glen Metropolit:

1) Nashville Knights
2) Atlanta Knights
3) Pensacola Ice Pilots
4) Quebec Rafales
5) Grand Rapids Griffins
6) Washington Capitals
7) Portland Pirates
8) Tampa Bay Lightning
9) Jokerit Helsinki
10) HC Lugano
11) Atlanta Thrashers
12) St. Louis Blues
13) Boston Bruins
14) Philadelphia Flyers
15) Montreal Canadiens
16) EV Zug

Also, he has just been traded to SC Bern, and will be joining that team after the Olympic break. That would make 17.

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This is an interesting question. One guy who always comes to mind for me as logging a lot of frequent flyer miles was Mathieu Schneider. I dunno if Schneider qualifies as a "journeyman" from a qualitative point of view as he was really more of a specialist, but he certainly got around.

1. Sherbrooke Canadiens
2. Montreal Canadiens
3. New York Islanders
4. Toronto Maple Leafs
5. New York Rangers
6. L.A. Kings
7. Detroit Red Wings
8. Anaheim Ducks
9. Atlanta Thrashers
10. Vancouver Canucks
11. Phoenix Coyotes
12. Manitoba Moose

Schneider played in the league for two decades, and in that time suited up for ten different franchises, for which he wore ten different numbers. I guess he belongs more in the "suitcase" category than the journeyman's club, but he's the most passed-around NHL player that I can recall, at any rate. Maybe I'm just remembering Schneider because he was actually kind of good.
Schneider is kind of funny, when the Leafs acquired him he was 27 years old, a productive offensive defenseman, and there was talk at the time that he'd be a pillar on the Leafs defense for years. Surprising to see him get dealt the league so much over the years.

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Jaromir Jagr might have the most for a Hall of Famer.

1. Kladno HC
2. Pittsburgh Penguins
3. Bolzano HC
4. Gelsenkirchener EC
5. Washington Capitals
6. New York Rangers
7. Avangard Omsk
8. Philadelphia Flyers
9. Dallas Stars
10. Boston Bruins
11. New Jersey Devils

(and counting)
Gump Worsley has him beat for now.

1. NY Rovers (QSHL, EAHL)
2. New Haven Ramblers (AHL)
3. St. Paul Saints (USHL)
4. Saskatoon Quakers (PCHL, WHL)
5. Edmonton Flyers (WHL)
6. NY Rangers (NHL)
7. Vancouver Canucks (WHL)
8. Providence Reds (AHL)
9. Springfield Indians (AHL)
10. Montreal Canadiens (NHL)
11. Quebec Aces (AHL)
12. Minnesota North Stars (NHL)

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Paul Coffey was a Hall of Famer who had a lot of late career stops:

Edmonton Oilers
Pittsburgh Penguins
Los Angeles Kings
Detroit Red Wings
Hartford Whalers
Philadelphia Flyers
Chicago Blackhawks
Carolina Hurricanes
Boston Bruins

Jaromir Jagr too, come to think of it:

Pittsburgh Penguins
Washington Capitals
New York Rangers
Philadelphia Flyers
Dallas Stars
Boston Bruins
New Jersey Devils

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