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09-24-2013, 03:43 PM
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Compensation is relative. It's professional sports. Big entertainment is big money. Simple as that.
I'm not going to explain myself again. I don't like the fact that professional athletes are rewarded so. I recognize that they work their ***** off to get to their place, but so do others. They're rewarded because so many people watch them - not so much because they provide necessary services for improving society.

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09-24-2013, 03:47 PM
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Oates is taking the battle too far. His methods are fine against plenty of GMs in plenty of situations where his client has CBA leverage and not just "hold-out/you need me" leverage. He's ramming into a stone wall. Hard ball with Sather in this exact situation is going to be either a quick resolution or a long long battle. Derek Stepan cannot afford a long long battle. His client's personality and career status cannot handle a long long battle. Every game he misses is value off of his next contract. He's damaging the team, Stepan's reputation, Stepan's year: even his next contract, NYR's year and camp over peanuts. You cannot fight for any less money than $100,000 - $250,000 in professional sports. If you do this over even less money, you would need therapy to figure out what's wrong with your mind. This is quite literally the least amount of money that you can fight over WITHOUT leverage without looking like a complete fool. Not only so, he's fighting it with the ugliest of hold outs.

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Sather needs to be tough and get the lowest number possible. We need the money for Hank et al.

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Sather needs to be tough and get the lowest number possible. We need the money for Hank et al.
Wrong. If he needs money, you find it somewhere else.

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09-24-2013, 03:58 PM
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It's funny when I read things like this. I'm a student dropping $15 000-20 000 per year to go to school (granted my parents are helping with about half) then these people are so stingy about a couple hundred thousand. $1000 would be HUGE for me, let alone $100 000. Some people certainly need perspective. Heck, $100 000 and I could have the best remaining 3 years of my life - I could buy a car, rent a nicer apartment, eat really well and not worry about money. Alas, I'm relying on my own hard work during the summers, parents help and student loans. This is why I hate the fact that people (stars at anything in the world) can feel so entitled to the millions they make. I work as hard as anyone, yet I lose money and will come out of school in debt.
Do you even recognize how ironic this diatribe is? You're the one paying these guys' salaries by going to games, scooping up merchandise, etc. We, as fans, make these guys stars and drive their salaries through the roof. For you to complain about it is so dense.

If people were willing to pay money to watch you go to school, you'd have a point. They won't, and you don't.

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09-24-2013, 04:03 PM
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Do you even recognize how ironic this diatribe is? You're the one paying these guys' salaries by going to games, scooping up merchandise, etc. We, as fans, make these guys stars and drive their salaries through the roof. For you to complain about it is so dense.

If people were willing to pay money to watch you go to school, you'd have a point. They won't, and you don't.
Woah, woah, woah. Where did you get that erroneous idea? I do not go to games. I do not purchase merchandise, etc. You're making assumptions based on the fact that I watch hockey. I stream games, for the record. I do not contribute to their salary.

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09-24-2013, 04:06 PM
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Woah, woah, woah. Where did you get that erroneous idea? I do not go to games. I do not purchase merchandise, etc. You're making assumptions based on the fact that I watch hockey. I stream games, for the record. I do not contribute to their salary.
Fine, then you do your part. Theres really no sense in complaining about other people that funnel money into the NHL, and make these guys millionaires.

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09-24-2013, 04:08 PM
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Oh believe me, I get that people will pay a lot to see their team pay. I just find it disappointing that so many people will pay such amounts. I'm an economics student; I understand the idea of supply and demand - and this is a situation of supply and demand. But the fact that it's so highly sought after is disappointing to me. I get that they provide a service of sorts, but the fact that it's rewarded so highly for what they provide is what gets to me.
Well, I agree the money it takes to see a game is out of control, but on the other hand, think of what you're paying to see. We're expecting members of the top 1 percent of the human race's athletes who work tirelessly day and night at their chosen craft, and they are the very best at what they do. When you go to see a Rangers game, you watch what is very possibly the best human in the world when it comes to stopping pucks. And they work relentlessly.


What is it to us? Entertainment. It's getting to throw on some Rangers gear, pretend we're part of the big team, and get emotionally involved.

I won't pretend that I'm as good at converting oxygen into carbon dioxide as these guys are at hockey. They get paid for being elite, even if it does relatively little for us.

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Fine, then you do your part. Theres really no sense in complaining about other people that funnel money into the NHL, and make these guys millionaires.
Your entire premise was based on me spending money on the NHL, which was proven false. Now you're just grasping at straws, my friend. I have every right to voice my opinion that it's unfortunate that they're rewarded so highly for their relatively marginal contribution to society.

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Your entire premise was based on me spending money on the NHL, which was proven false. Now you're just grasping at straws, my friend. I have every right to voice my opinion that it's unfortunate that they're rewarded so highly for their relatively marginal contribution to society.
What they do is entertainment which is an integral part of any society. They're paid well because of society and the paradigms that govern the business of hep key in general.

Everyone is marginal with the exception of the few. Some people are luckier than others. Nothin more nothing less.

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Sather needs to be tough and get the lowest number possible. We need the money for Hank et al.
This has nothing to do with Henrik.

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Interesting to hear from Sather that Stepan will get paid eventually. Lots of posters said the same thing, but it has to wait until his next contract after he signs this bridge one (Sather called it a gap) first.

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09-24-2013, 06:00 PM
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Stepan is not nor will he ever be a superstar ((me thinks) - official disclaimer)) as some likes to believe. He is an outstanding player, dont get me wrong - but he is far from irreplaceable. This team do not stand or fall on a rook like Stepan, geez.

If he wants to much, let him go. It is that simple. If he doesnt want to be a Ranger, let him go. He is not GOD. Actually, he is very far from it. All that is proven so far is that he is a mediocre centre. Yes, i said it. **** me. Geez.

There are more important things around the Rangers than ****ing Stepan

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Stepan is not nor will he ever be a superstar ((me thinks) - official disclaimer)) as some likes to believe. He is an outstanding player, dont get me wrong - but he is far from irreplaceable. This team do not stand or fall on a rook like Stepan, geez.

If he wants to much, let him go. It is that simple. If he doesnt want to be a Ranger, let him go. He is not GOD. Actually, he is very far from it. All that is proven so far is that he is a mediocre centre. Yes, i said it. **** me. Geez.

There are more important things around the Rangers than ****ing Stepan
wow did Stepan run your dog over?

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wow did Stepan run your dog over?
Looking at this discussion, it seems that he ***** and ate everthing we know and deserves good credit for it...

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Stepan is not nor will he ever be a superstar ((me thinks) - official disclaimer)) as some likes to believe. He is an outstanding player, dont get me wrong - but he is far from irreplaceable. This team do not stand or fall on a rook like Stepan, geez.

If he wants to much, let him go. It is that simple. If he doesnt want to be a Ranger, let him go. He is not GOD. Actually, he is very far from it. All that is proven so far is that he is a mediocre centre. Yes, i said it. **** me. Geez.

There are more important things around the Rangers than ****ing Stepan
He is not a superstar, but he is not mediocre either. He might not be able to maintain the point-per-game pace he had during the shortened season over a full 82 game schedule, but he is still the Rangers' best center right now and a very important piece.

The worst thing that can be said about Stepan right now is that he is currently not in camp with his teammates. He can't show the organization just how good he can really be until he's signed and ready for the season opener. The two sides need to come to an agreement so he can take these next two years to prove to the organization that he's worth a big commitment. A homegrown scoring center who has improved every year is a nice change of pace after the pricy acquisitions of centers from free agency like Gomez, Drury and Richards.

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Not only will Stepan be and is
On the verge of being a star, this kid has captain material written all over him. Let's not forget he captained a world junior USA team that lost a lead to canada taking the game to overtime. Who spoke out in the lockerroom during the intermission? Who rallied the troops? stepan did and the team came back juiced up and won the game in OT to take the gold home. Some players are just wired for success. It follows them around. Stepans that type of player.

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I've never seen anyone, ever, say or even imply that Stepan is or will be a superstar. He is a very young Top 6 center, who will likely peak as a #1 C with Selke nominations in his future.

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Ah, but why is that sort of entertainment so high in demand? I get that it's enjoyable, but there are COUNTLESS other forms of entertainment. Celebrities salaries have gotten so out of hand, imo. I get that they're skilled, and I certainly respect them making $100 000+, but when it hits multi-million, really? Say I become a lawyer, think I'll be getting millions a year? I doubt that. Say I become a medical doctor, will I get millions a year? Again, likely not. There are far more important professions that earn FAR less than say a hockey player or actor/actress.
Commodities are worth whatever people will play for them. That's just how it is. It's not like Stepan invited capitalism; I would love to see what people what do in his position. Of course it looks simple from our perspective. It's easy to judge another person's "moral code" or whatever when you're not in their shoes.

It's the people who pay for something that determine it's worth, not the seller. It's a ****ed reality man, and it's not getting better.


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Stepan is not nor will he ever be a superstar ((me thinks) - official disclaimer)) as some likes to believe. He is an outstanding player, dont get me wrong - but he is far from irreplaceable. This team do not stand or fall on a rook like Stepan, geez.

If he wants to much, let him go. It is that simple. If he doesnt want to be a Ranger, let him go. He is not GOD. Actually, he is very far from it. All that is proven so far is that he is a mediocre centre. Yes, i said it. **** me. Geez.

There are more important things around the Rangers than ****ing Stepan


Yeah mediocre centres rack up 44 points over 48 games.

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I don't think anyone here considers Step a superstar. He is still valuable to the Rangers and from the looks of it will be our 1C going forward.

He needs to sign the deal and start playing.

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He is an outstanding player, dont get me wrong - but he is far from irreplaceable. This team do not stand or fall on a rook like Stepan, geez.

If he wants to much, let him go. It is that simple. If he doesnt want to be a Ranger, let him go. He is not GOD. Actually, he is very far from it. All that is proven so far is that he is a mediocre centre. Yes, i said it. **** me. Geez.

There are more important things around the Rangers than ****ing Stepan
Yeah the Rangers kickass at having a 1c on their team!




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No one questions that those players can have an impact. However, I would rather have a Brunner at $2.5 for 2 years who can get me about the same points as Richards, then Richards at $6.6 for 9 years. With a $64.3 cap, its very tight and you need the cap room to re-sign your own players, bring in decent UFAs(not at $6.6) and be able to make trades(where you take on cap at times).
Except we don't really have Richards for 9 years. We have him for one more year at a $6.6mm cap hit (assuming he doesn't get badly injured), with an option to keep him for another six years. I think that option is unlikely to be exercised unless he is the best player in the NHL this season, which appears unlikely based on preseason play.

Are there better Cs who were available as UFAs this offseason than Richards at cap-hits (and with that optionality) that would improve the Rangers long-term cap flexibility for resigning their other upcoming UFAs and RFAs?

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