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09-24-2013, 11:07 AM
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By the way, who gives a **** if Stepan isn't a bona-fide #1 center yet?

We are talking about a contract of 2 years/$6-7M total here.

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09-24-2013, 11:10 AM
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What is Dolan going to do? It isn't about money, it's about cap space. Dolan can't just raise my optimum rates to give us more space.
K, so while we could match in the event another team offer sheets im susposed to believe we cant come up with .3 mil? Dolan could play the hero and allow sather to save face by getting involved. Common sense really, If you cant see the logic in that then its on you. Happens in negotiations quite frequently......

BTW, hes the freaken OWNER he can do plenty if he gave a ****.

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By the way, who gives a **** if Stepan isn't a bona-fide #1 center yet?

We are talking about a contract of 2 years/$6-7M total here.
Agreed. Arguing semantics over what equates to a couple hundred grand over two years. Seems ridiculous to me.

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Really? Because last time i checked, if Stepan doesn't sign on the dotted line, he doesn't get paid, a dime. And for each day he sits out he loses between 12-15,000 dollars (assuming he gets a contract in the 3.2-3.5 range).

And for a guy who hasn't made huge money yet, that's a lot to be missing out on.
Check your math again. If he were to have a salary of $3.25 mil - he would be losing close to $40K per game.

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K, so while we could match in the event another team offer sheets im susposed to believe we cant come up with .3 mil? Dolan could play the hero and allow sather to save face by getting involved. Common sense really, If you cant see the logic in that then its on you. Happens in negotiations quite frequently......

BTW, hes the freaken OWNER he can do plenty if he gave a ****.
I wouldnt be surprised if Dolan has zero idea there even is a contract dispute with Stepan

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09-24-2013, 11:12 AM
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K, so while we could match in the event another team offer sheets im susposed to believe we cant come up with .3 mil? Dolan could play the hero and allow sather to save face by getting involved. Common sense really, If you cant see the logic in that then its on you. Happens in negotiations quite frequently......

BTW, hes the freaken OWNER he can do plenty if he gave a ****.
Sather is already authorized by Dolan to spend that money... the extra $300k. What use would it do for him to swoop in and say "hey! you can spend that extra $300k!"

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By the way, who gives a **** if Stepan isn't a bona-fide #1 center yet?

We are talking about a contract of 2 years/$6-7M total here.
It's mostly arguing with the people who think that he should be getting a long term deal here.

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09-24-2013, 11:14 AM
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Yeah, it's pretty strange. It's so strange that you and I are the ones having a calm reasonable conversation about it in this thread.

The interview with Sather was very interesting last night. A lot of the way that some of us talk about the business side of the sport was reinforced by Sather. Especially the frustration with other teams skipping the bridge deal, which he calls the gap deal. He came across as a curmudgeon, but the meat of what he was saying was pretty on point.
I think most people who know me would describe me as calm and reasonable. Maybe my writing just comes off as brash.

Anyway, other teams identify their core early and give them bigger contracts early on. Thats their right under the CBA, just like Sather has the right to put the screws to his younger players. So, complaining about these other teams does nothing to advance his argument.

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Check your math again. If he were to have a salary of $3.25 mil - he would be losing close to $40K per game.
To be fair, he said per day, not per game. On the other hand, the math is still wrong, because it equates to around $17k per day (185 or 186 days in the regular season is the usual number).

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To be fair, he said per day, not per game. On the other hand, the math is still wrong, because it equates to around $17k per day (185 or 186 days in the regular season is the usual number).
I figured players get paid per game though?

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I figured players get paid per game though?
Nope. Per day. Every day a player is on the roster, they are earning their NHL salary and count against the cap.

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Sather is already authorized by Dolan to spend that money... the extra $300k. What use would it do for him to swoop in and say "hey! you can spend that extra $300k!"
Actually it would be very helpful, the rangers/sather dont want to set a precedent for caving on bridge deals. Sather could save face and be taken out of the equation because after last nights comments sather doesnt seem willing to move off his offer.

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I figured players get paid per game though?
I don't believe so...they get a regular paycheck as far as I recall.

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I figured players get paid per game though?
Nope, it's based on days. Evidence in the CBA from the SPC exhibit:

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Payment of such Paragraph 1 Salary shall be in consecutive semi-monthly installments on the 15th and 30th day of each month following the commencement of the NHL Regular Season or following the dates of reporting, whichever is later (provided that the pay period shall not close more than three (3) days prior to payroll dates); provided, however, that if the Player is not in the employ of the Club for the whole period of the Club's NHL Regular Season Games, then he shall receive only part of such Paragraph 1 Salary in the ratio of the number of days of actual employment to the number of days of the NHL Regular Season.

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Nope. Per day. Every day a player is on the roster, they are earning their NHL salary and count against the cap.
Weird... So how do they calculate how much salary a player forfeits when he is suspended? Add up the total number of days that span the length of the suspension?

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I think most people who know me would describe me as calm and reasonable. Maybe my writing just comes off as brash.

Anyway, other teams identify their core early and give them bigger contracts early on. Thats their right under the CBA, just like Sather has the right to put the screws to his younger players. So, complaining about these other teams does nothing to advance his argument.
Most people describe me that way too. I was more talking about our interactions specifically, since we often seem to be at heated odds with each other. Really no problem or criticism. It makes coming here more fun.

I wasn't saying that it isn't the other teams right to do what they do, anyway. The CBA is designed to have very cheap ELCs and relatively cheap 2nd contracts. Just saying that, when you are a team that really puts emphasis on getting those bridge contracts, it's frustrating that other teams don't.

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is this situation "normal" at all?

I suppose we're going to see Stepan stink the first 10 games, just like last year. Then he'll pick up big time ... just sign the damn contract boy!!!

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Weird... So how do they calculate how much salary a player forfeits when he is suspended? Add up the total number of days that span the length of the suspension?
That actually came into question with the buffalo/toronto brawl. Clarkson got 10 games for leaving the bench and the guys on NHL Home Ice weren't sure if he would lose 10 days of pay for the 10 games missed, or if he would lose all the days in between those 10 games as well. I never heard the answer.

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Teams don't exercise their leverage. They end up signing the Tyler Myers and Jeff Skinner players to long term contracts and those players still had a year left in entry level. EDM did the same thing with their 3 players. What's the rush?

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Stepan needs to start playing ball. I don't know why he thinks he is special. This is no different than what Dubinsky, Del Zotto, and Callahan had to go through. Sather does bridge contracts. Always has.

And personally, I agree with Sather. I think it is ridiculous that players like RNH are set for life after playing 100 games with $42 million contracts.

Stepan isn't in a situation where he holds the leverage. And I know people are saying that Sather is just looking for 500k in savings, but every penny counts when he has to re-sign Lundqvist (who is far more important to the team than Stepan), Callahan (our heart and soul captain), Girardi (one of our main stay defense men in the organization) and company all NEXT YEAR. Even with the cap going up, he has to consider making a saving any way he can.

If Stepan doesn't want to play on the team next season, for $3-3.2m/year, than don't play. It is only detrimental to himself. Sure, the team will be off to a rocky start missing Hagelin, Callahan, and Stepan, but Lundqvist has proven he will always make this team in the very least competitive. He will pull us through the rough stretch, and when we get our depth back, we can return to normalcy.

Stepan played a great 48 games, that's it. Outside of that, he hasn't proven he is anything more than a #2 center. Rookie season was good. Sophomore season was okay, fell apart when Gaborik was removed from his line. Junior season was great. But that was a 48 game season. I think I'm one of the few people here who does not think Stepan is a bonafide #1 center.

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Clarkson will forfeit $269,230.80 in salary. Leafs will likely have to spend at least another $75,000 to replace him for 24 days on roster.

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Stepan needs to start playing ball. I don't know why he thinks he is special. This is no different than what Dubinsky, Del Zotto, and Callahan had to go through. Sather does bridge contracts. Always has.

And personally, I agree with Sather. I think it is ridiculous that players like RNH are set for life after playing 100 games with $42 million contracts.

Stepan isn't in a situation where he holds the leverage. And I know people are saying that Sather is just looking for 500k in savings, but every penny counts when he has to re-sign Lundqvist (who is far more important to the team than Stepan), Callahan (our heart and soul captain), Girardi (one of our main stay defense men in the organization) and company all NEXT YEAR. Even with the cap going up, he has to consider making a saving any way he can.

If Stepan doesn't want to play on the team next season, for $3-3.2m/year, than don't play. It is only detrimental to himself. Sure, the team will be off to a rocky start missing Hagelin, Callahan, and Stepan, but Lundqvist has proven he will always make this team in the very least competitive. He will pull us through the rough stretch, and when we get our depth back, we can return to normalcy.

Stepan played a great 48 games, that's it. Outside of that, he hasn't proven he is anything more than a #2 center. Rookie season was good. Sophomore season was okay, fell apart when Gaborik was removed from his line. Junior season was great. But that was a 48 game season. I think I'm one of the few people here who does not think Stepan is a bonafide #1 center.
Hear hear. Great post, man.

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Teams don't exercise their leverage. They end up signing the Tyler Myers and Jeff Skinner players to long term contracts and those players still had a year left in entry level. EDM did the same thing with their 3 players. What's the rush?
Exactly. Notice the trend with the teams we're talking about: Buffalo, Carolina, Oilers... you don't build a good team by overpaying players in that position.

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Teams don't exercise their leverage. They end up signing the Tyler Myers and Jeff Skinner players to long term contracts and those players still had a year left in entry level. EDM did the same thing with their 3 players. What's the rush?
Or, teams that do exercise their leverage sign PK Subban to a bridge deal instead of a 5-6 year deal in the $5M range and he wins the Norris Trophy and now you're looking at paying him $7+ over a long term deal after this season.

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Or, teams that do exercise their leverage sign PK Subban to a bridge deal instead of a 5-6 year deal in the $5M range and he wins the Norris Trophy and now you're looking at paying him $7+ over a long term deal after this season.
I'd rather pay a Norris winner 7 million long term than pay a question-mark 5 for 5-6 years.

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