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11-17-2013, 07:31 PM
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Anyone know anything about this Mattsson kid out of Sweden?

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Holy effin crap, I didn't know Ehlers was THIS good of a skater. He is pretty damn close to MacKinnon's level of skating.

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Holy effin crap, I didn't know Ehlers was THIS good of a skater. He is pretty damn close to MacKinnon's level of skating.
Nikolaj Ehlers might be the best Danish prospect ever. His father is Heinz Ehlers, the first Dane ever to be drafted in the NHL in 1984. He is currently a coach in Switzerland. He is also a legend of Danish national hockey team, from before it graduated to group A. I think he is slamdunk to become an NHLer. He has the best kind of family support and has already played among men in the Swiss league at age 16. He should go in the top 10.

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Holy effin crap, I didn't know Ehlers was THIS good of a skater. He is pretty damn close to MacKinnon's level of skating.


Flying across the ice... He is like a figure skater.
Only 16 in this clip playing for Biel in the NLA.

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Ehlers made it to the top 10 of Craig Button's December list. McKeown is down to 27.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

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Ehlers made it to the top 10 of Craig Button's December list. McKeown is down to 27.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649
Why's McKeown falling down the ranks?

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12-13-2013, 12:38 PM
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There are a ton of big, fast, skilled wingers in this draft. I really, really hope they stock up the system with at least two of them. Then draft a couple big d-men and then Pracey can draft his guilty pleasures in the later rounds (Small CHL centres and small PMD)

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12-13-2013, 12:42 PM
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They should draft 7 skill forwards.

I'm only sort of kidding. We have no actual NHL caliber forward talent on the horizon.

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12-13-2013, 01:07 PM
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They should draft 7 skill forwards.

I'm only sort of kidding. We have no actual NHL caliber forward talent on the horizon.
There are a bunch guys with the hands and smarts to make it, but not the body (Hishon, Sgarbossa, Agozzino, Smith, Bourke)

And then a handful of guys who do have the size to make it, lack the skill to be anything more than role/depth/checking players (Malone, Heard, Cheek)

Then the rest are tweeners who aren't big enough to be checking forwards, nor skilled enough to be top-line players (Carey, Clarke, Olver, Meurs, Moffatt)

The only forwards I really have any hope for are Condon and Blandisi, who, at their peaks could be an excellent defensive PK specialist and a skilled agitator, respectively. But they are a couple years away.

We really could use a guy like Vincour, but unfortunately he was so appalled by Sacco's coaching "skills" that he left for Europe.

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12-13-2013, 03:38 PM
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I'm down with the big winger idea. I wonder if they'll go in that direction instead of D with their first (assuming we keep that pick). I also wonder with Roy's influence if they will hit Q players harder in the draft now.

Of the list above I'm most interested in Smith, Hishon obviously, and wonder about Carey and Meurs. Both are still pretty young. I'm anxious to see what Bourke and Blandisi can do in the AHL next season. How about Gus Young, would he be in the AHL by then too?

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12-13-2013, 03:44 PM
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Our forward prospects plain and simply suck.
We have nothing of promise down there.

Still. I do not think I could stomache us passing up McKeown.
I really do not get why he seems to be dropping...

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12-13-2013, 05:05 PM
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I'm down with the big winger idea. I wonder if they'll go in that direction instead of D with their first (assuming we keep that pick). I also wonder with Roy's influence if they will hit Q players harder in the draft now.

Of the list above I'm most interested in Smith, Hishon obviously, and wonder about Carey and Meurs. Both are still pretty young. I'm anxious to see what Bourke and Blandisi can do in the AHL next season. How about Gus Young, would he be in the AHL by then too?
We spend a lot of time discussing some of these guys since they're what we've got but from what viewings I've had of them I'm not expecting any of them to become useful NHLers.

It's depressing for instance how much time we spend debating Malone since he's the closest to NHL ready, and he's never going to be anything more than a 4th liner if he can even stick in the league.

Gus Young is a dman.

As much as it's nice to have all these young guys like Dutchy, ROR, Landeskog, Mackinnon, etc, we need to start getting more NHLers beyond the first round again, even just depth guys. For all the talk about how well Pracey has drafted, I'm not sure I see it - it's been ok but if we want to ever be contenders it needs to be better. Look at the way Chicago keeps finding guys to step in and replace the talent they can't afford to keep.

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A lot of ignorant comments on this page.

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People are allowed to have a different point of view on things from you. Half the time when I read your post-game recaps I completely disagree with you to the point that I wonder if we were even watching the same games. It is what it is though.

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People are allowed to have a different point of view on things from you. Half the time when I read your post-game recaps I completely disagree with you to the point that I wonder if we were even watching the same games. It is what it is though.
I say it's ignorant because half of you guys haven't seen a single game of any of forward prospects and basing it off Hockey's Future. I can say that I have seen at least one game of every one of our prospects except Europeans (if we drafted any).

People are entitled to their opinions, but going out and saying our forward group completely sucks without watching a game that is classified as ignorance, is it not?

I think I am very fair in my evaluations of prospects and respecting people's opinions. Paz last year DID watch Jones and his overall opinion of him was not very high. Even though I personally thought he was wrong, I respected his opinion because he watched him live and on TV. While majority of the MacKinnon fanclub were organism-ing over three games in the Memorial Cup against terrible goalers.

If you think I am wrong in the post match games, tell me because I want to read all opinions and pessimism (only to a certain degree).

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I say it's ignorant because half of you guys haven't seen a single game of any of forward prospects and basing it off Hockey's Future. I can say that I have seen at least one game of every one of our prospects except Europeans (if we drafted any).

People are entitled to their opinions, but going out and saying our forward group completely sucks without watching a game that is classified as ignorance, is it not?

I think I am very fair in my evaluations of prospects and respecting people's opinions. Paz last year DID watch Jones and his overall opinion of him was not very high. Even though I thought he was wrong, I respected his opinion because he watched him live and on TV. While majority of the MacKinnon fanclub were organism over three games in the Memorial Cup against terrible goalers.

If you think I am wrong in the post match games, tell me because I want to read all opinions and pessimism (only to a certain degree).
I have not specifically commented on any players that I haven't seen at least once, some of them a lot more than that (e.g. Heard, who I dislike). Some of our depth guys, especially NCAA guys like Ben Storm I haven't and will likely never see but they don't have any expectations anyways. It's easy to sit here and assume that other people don't know what they're talking about but we're all here because we love hockey and watch a lot of it.

I don't call you out in post game threads because it's irrelevant. Everyone has an opinion.


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I have not specifically commented on any players that I haven't seen at least once, some of them a lot more than that (e.g. Heard, who I dislike). Some of our depth guys, especially NCAA guys like Ben Storm I haven't and will likely never see but they don't have any expectations anyways. It's easy to sit here and assume that other people don't know what they're talking about but we're all here because we love hockey and watch a lot of it.

I don't call you out in post game threads because it's irrelevant. Everyone has an opinion.
You don't need to call me out, just say which parts you disagree with (if you want, can't force you to post ).

But hey you know good music so that's a start to agreeing with me. Except Opeth, not a huge fan of them. I think they try too hard when making music and it ruins the experience, it just seems overdone.

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You don't need to call me out, just say which parts you disagree with (if you want, can't force you to post ).

But hey you know good music so that's a start to agreeing with me. Except Opeth, not a huge fan of them. I think they try too hard when making music and it ruins the experience, it just seems overdone.
Well the last album I worked on was similarly overblown in style so I can't talk, but yeah, it's not for everyone. BWP and Still Life are probably two of my favorite albums of any genre though.

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I say it's ignorant because half of you guys haven't seen a single game of any of forward prospects and basing it off Hockey's Future. I can say that I have seen at least one game of every one of our prospects except Europeans (if we drafted any).

People are entitled to their opinions, but going out and saying our forward group completely sucks without watching a game that is classified as ignorance, is it not?

I think I am very fair in my evaluations of prospects and respecting people's opinions. Paz last year DID watch Jones and his overall opinion of him was not very high. Even though I personally thought he was wrong, I respected his opinion because he watched him live and on TV. While majority of the MacKinnon fanclub were organism-ing over three games in the Memorial Cup against terrible goalers.

If you think I am wrong in the post match games, tell me because I want to read all opinions and pessimism (only to a certain degree).
So you are telling me that one of our prospects will realistically develop into a top-6 forward on this team?

Go ahead and name them. And tell me how you came to this conclusion.

The only ones that could have this kind of upside are Hishon, Sgarbossa and maybe Smith.

Each and everyone of those are longshots. We might hit the lottery with someone else but what are the odds?

Top-6 forwards are rarely picked in the later rounds of the draft.
And quite frankly I can not spot such an "overachiever" in our prospect pool right now. They usually do not come out of nowhere and outperform their draft spot almost immediately after they get drafted.

Sgarbossa looked like he could be one and he still has time to develop. Still a longshot to be more than a 3rd liner who could maybe help out on the 2nd line at times.

Hishon easily has the skills and potential to be a mainstay on our top-6. But counting on him and his health is unfortunately a disappointment waiting to happen. Feel for this kid and hope he turns it around. Still. I can not see it. Would not be all that surprised if the Avs moved on from him in the summer ( see: Mueller. Even though I would not like that)

So which glorious forward prospect did I miss?

Maybe I am wrong. Feel free to enlighten me.
I just don't see another outstanding forward prospect besides those 3 (and Smith is the biggest longshot of them all).

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For those down on Hishon just look at what Perron is doing.

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So you are telling me that one of our prospects will realistically develop into a top-6 forward on this team?

Go ahead and name them. And tell me how you came to this conclusion.

The only ones that could have this kind of upside are Hishon, Sgarbossa and maybe Smith.

Each and everyone of those are longshots. We might hit the lottery with someone else but what are the odds?

Top-6 forwards are rarely picked in the later rounds of the draft.
And quite frankly I can not spot such an "overachiever" in our prospect pool right now. They usually do not come out of nowhere and outperform their draft spot almost immediately after they get drafted.

Sgarbossa looked like he could be one and he still has time to develop. Still a longshot to be more than a 3rd liner who could maybe help out on the 2nd line at times.

Hishon easily has the skills and potential to be a mainstay on our top-6. But counting on him and his health is unfortunately a disappointment waiting to happen. Feel for this kid and hope he turns it around. Still. I can not see it. Would not be all that surprised if the Avs moved on from him in the summer ( see: Mueller. Even though I would not like that)

So which glorious forward prospect did I miss?

Maybe I am wrong. Feel free to enlighten me.
I just don't see another outstanding forward prospect besides those 3 (and Smith is the biggest longshot of them all).
How prospects have you watched?! I'm on a iPad, so I will enlighten you when I get on a pc.

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I dont understand the complaing , that we have no topp 6 forwards in our prospects.

Matt Duchene 22
Nathan MacKinnon 18
Ryan O'Reilly 22
Gabriel Landeskog 21

are they going to retire soon ?

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I dont understand the complaing , that we have no topp 6 forwards in our prospects.

Matt Duchene 22
Nathan MacKinnon 18
Ryan O'Reilly 22
Gabriel Landeskog 21

are they going to retire soon ?
Mackinnon yeah, but the rest nah.

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I know it looks bad, but I'm sure we'll get a decent player in the first this year(hopefully Ho-Sang falls). And our d prospect pool looks pretty good in Bigras, Elliot, Butcher, Siemens, etc. A couple of those have to pan out which means we don't need to focus on it as much or as early in the draft.

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Our D prospects are fine. Bigras and Siemens are going to be NHLers soon, Geertsen and Beaupre are potential bottom-pairing defensive d-men, Young and Lauridson are dark horses, Westlund has all the time in the world to develop in Sweden and one of Barrie, Elliott or Butcher will hopefully pan out as an NHL caliber PMD.

Now obviously they could use a couple TWD in the system since the closest they have to one of those is Bigras, but it's not nearly as bad as our forward pool.

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