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09-24-2013, 03:07 PM
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Babcock will never do it, but this would be my PP units.

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Franzen
Kindl - Alfie

Kindl out high with a umbrella type setup. Franzen as the net front guy also has the ability to flash high for one times when they get below the line. This one would be more conventional but like swapping out Kronwall for Kindl for fit.

Nyquist - Weiss - Tatar
Kronwall - Smith

This one is the movement lineup, lots of interchanging, both Kronwall and Smith like to jump into the play. Weiss and Tatar while not big like to drive the net when openings are there. Throw Nyquist and Tatar below the goal like the RNH and Eberle setup of a couple years back with Renney. They could do this system and the onus of checking all five guys that all skate well and can activate catching you in a stand still in a box would be dangerous. Also it gets away from the traditional PP. I think that wrinkle would be tough on other teams, it isn't just the Wings that have gotten into the boring system on the PP, everyone has. This is outside of the box and will stress other teams, could also lead to some SH goals against but I think the balance and different looks of both units will be extremely hard on most teams.
That's exactly what I have. The difference is you change Kindl and Kronwall -- and i think I like that better than mine.

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09-24-2013, 03:08 PM
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Our PP goals so far at pre-season:

@Boston
Abdelkader scored, was in front of the net getting the rebound from Kindl-shot.
Zetterberg tip-in, Abdelkader made the screen for Kronwall-pointshot.

@Pittsburgh
Almquist scored from point, Abdelkader made the net-front screen.
Almquist scored from point, Cleary made the net-front screen.

vs.Chicago
Tatar tip-in, Andersson made the screen for Nyquist-shot.
Ericsson scored from point, both Andersson and Sheahan made the net-front screen. (not PP, but goalie pulled)
Who was our our goalie for all those goals?

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09-24-2013, 03:13 PM
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Really hope they change up the PP strategy. Last year it was unforgivably atrocious.

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09-24-2013, 04:00 PM
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Who was our our goalie for all those goals?
Our goalie? Or opposite goalie?

@Boston
Howard/McCollum vs. M.Subban

@Pittsburgh
Howard/Mrazek vs. Vokoun

vs.Chicago
Howard vs. Crawford

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09-24-2013, 05:12 PM
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That's exactly what I have. The difference is you change Kindl and Kronwall -- and i think I like that better than mine.
See we can agree sometimes.

We have both had pretty similar logic on Kindl for a while, I want to see what he would do with that group and since they run a more traditional PP I think it suits him.

Kronwall did a lot of damage on the second unit over the years with his ability to jump into the play, I also think it helps him to not have the premier PK guys closing out on him. I think it provides more balance to our units and Weiss is very good at using PP point men activating people saw that with both Campbell and Garrison he did a lot of that.

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09-24-2013, 05:44 PM
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Looking at last year's playoff lineup
2013 playoff vs. 2013-14 season
1.CE Datsyuk = 1.CE Datsyuk
2.LW Franzen < 2.LW Zetterberg
3.RW Abdelkader = 3.RW Abdelkader
4.CE Zetterberg > 4.CE Weiss
5.LW Filppula < 5.LW Franzen
6.RW Cleary < 6.RW Alfredsson
7.CE Andersson = 7.CE Andersson
8.LW Nyquist = 8.LW Nyquist
9.RW Brunner = 9.RW Tatar
10.CE Emmerton = 10.Emmerton (hopefully Helm)
11.LW Miller < 11. Cleary
12.RW Eaves < 12.Sammy

So in five forward positions there is a better player than at last playoffs. Only one position we have worse player, and that's the 2nd line center position. Weiss is worse than Zetterberg.

And if we analyze deeper, we could have better player at seven positions, if you expect both of Nyquist-Andersson be better players than year ago. Young guys will develop. At eight position, if Helm comes back.

These summer additions have big influences throughout the roster.

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09-24-2013, 06:04 PM
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2013 playoff vs. 2013-14 season
1.CE Datsyuk = 1.CE Datsyuk
2.LW Franzen < 2.LW Zetterberg
3.RW Abdelkader = 3.RW Abdelkader
4.CE Zetterberg > 4.CE Weiss
5.LW Filppula < 5.LW Franzen
6.RW Cleary < 6.RW Alfredsson
7.CE Andersson = 7.CE Andersson
8.LW Nyquist = 8.LW Nyquist
9.RW Brunner = 9.RW Tatar
10.CE Emmerton = 10.Emmerton (hopefully Helm)
11.LW Miller < 11. Cleary
12.RW Eaves < 12.Sammy

So in five forward positions there is a better player than at last playoffs. Only one position we have worse player, and that's the 2nd line center position. Weiss is worse than Zetterberg.

And if we analyze deeper, we could have better player at seven positions, if you expect both of Nyquist-Andersson be better players than year ago. Young guys will develop. At eight position, if Helm comes back.

These summer additions have big influences throughout the roster.
Think Tatar is going to be better than Brunner and a little more consistent in terms of the hot and cold Brunner would do.

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09-24-2013, 06:25 PM
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Babcock will never do it, but this would be my PP units.

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Franzen
Kindl - Alfie

Kindl out high with a umbrella type setup. Franzen as the net front guy also has the ability to flash high for one times when they get below the line. This one would be more conventional but like swapping out Kronwall for Kindl for fit.

Nyquist - Weiss - Tatar
Kronwall - Smith

This one is the movement lineup, lots of interchanging, both Kronwall and Smith like to jump into the play. Weiss and Tatar while not big like to drive the net when openings are there. Throw Nyquist and Tatar below the goal like the RNH and Eberle setup of a couple years back with Renney. They could do this system and the onus of checking all five guys that all skate well and can activate catching you in a stand still in a box would be dangerous. Also it gets away from the traditional PP. I think that wrinkle would be tough on other teams, it isn't just the Wings that have gotten into the boring system on the PP, everyone has. This is outside of the box and will stress other teams, could also lead to some SH goals against but I think the balance and different looks of both units will be extremely hard on most teams.
+1 excellent post

Great pairings, and great reasoning on why you think they'd work. I tend to agree.

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09-24-2013, 06:29 PM
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Just imagine a PP in 16-17 that looks like....

Nyquist-Zetterberg-Mantha
Kindl-Sproul

Tatar-Datsyuk-Jurco
Kronwall-Jarnkrok

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09-24-2013, 06:38 PM
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I'm digging the top 3 lines, hoping that Nyquist or Tatar move up by season's end. But, it's still good. 4th line isn't as terrible as people are making it sound, though I'd rather have Bertuzzi, Miller, and Tootoo over Samuelsson and Cleary.

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09-24-2013, 06:48 PM
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+1 excellent post

Great pairings, and great reasoning on why you think they'd work. I tend to agree.
I agree as well. Love those PP units.

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09-24-2013, 07:42 PM
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I agree as well. Love those PP units.
And me to this list.

Great post TZE.

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No Cleary, Sammy, Abby on the PP?

I know you said it was fantastical, but I didn't realize you had gone full on crazy there, dude. Babcock is giving you the evil eye right now.

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Nyquist - Weiss - Tatar
Kronwall - Smith
I like the concept of this unit, but what happens in the playoffs when the likes of Chara are out there forcing those guys to the perimeter and taking away the lanes? That line may be more successful in the regular season.

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Today's practice lines:

Z-Pav-Abby
Franzen-Weiss-Alfie
Nyquist-Andy-Tatar
Cleary-Emmerton-Sammy

I must say that I'd be pleased with those for the time being. The 4th line is a bit questionable, but if they're out there against opposing 4th lines I'm hoping they can at least play even.

PP units they're practicing:

Z-Pav-Abby
Alfie-Kronner

Franzen-Weiss-Cleary
Sammy-Kindl

The only problem I have here is Cleary instead of Tatar or Nyquist. Why do you need Cleary when you already have Franzen as a net front player, especially if you have Nyquist and Tatar at your disposal?

Hopefully it sorts itself out, but there's another classic example of why many of us didn't want Cleary back with Babcock behind the bench.

But overall I like these lines and units minus one player.
I really like that third line. I think they will tear **** up. With that being said I am really not impressed with that second power play unit. Just hot garbage. I have no problem with Smith sitting on the bench until he gets his act together but Nyquist and Tatar have proven themselves to be very dangerous with the man advantage.

I'm not going to freak out because the lines tend to get shuffled, just opining on what seems to be the current lineup.

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I like the concept of this unit, but what happens in the playoffs when the likes of Chara are out there forcing those guys to the perimeter and taking away the lanes? That line may be more successful in the regular season.
I'm sure Bert and Cleary will give Chara all he can handle.

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I'm sure Bert and Cleary will give Chara all he can handle.
Regardless, I think PP's these days benefit a great deal from net front guys taking away the goalies vision.

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Regardless, I think PP's these days benefit a great deal from net front guys taking away the goalies vision.
Worked out really real last year. Especially with the shots that didn't get blocked missing the net.

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Worked out really real last year. Especially with the shots that didn't get blocked missing the net.
What's your point? Screening the goalie doesn't work anymore? Obviously the PP strategy has to be changed, but you can still use proven fundamentals.

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Regardless, I think PP's these days benefit a great deal from net front guys taking away the goalies vision.
I dunno, last game Tatar was great at tipping shots in front of the goal. Brian Gionta made a nice career for himself tipping Brian Rafalski's shots in front of the crease.

Let's not pretend Bert has some great recent history as a net front presence. Cleary has gone there in the past but he's not exactly Homer. My larger point is let's not assume guys can play a big man's game simply because they have some size.

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I dunno, last game Tatar was great at tipping shots in front of the goal. Brian Gionta made a nice career for himself tipping Brian Rafalski's shots in front of the crease.

Let's not pretend Bert has some great recent history as a net front presence. Cleary has gone there in the past but he's not exactly Homer. My larger point is let's not assume guys can play a big man's game simply because they have some size.
I'm not sure why you guys think I'm advocating Cleary or Bertuzzi playing there, I'm just concerned about their lack of size when their playmaking ability is taken away by bigger PK units. I like the unit in theory, just voicing a concern about it.

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I like the concept of this unit, but what happens in the playoffs when the likes of Chara are out there forcing those guys to the perimeter and taking away the lanes? That line may be more successful in the regular season.
Instead of who though? 6'0' can't stay on his feet Dan Cleary?

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Instead of who though? 6'0' can't stay on his feet Dan Cleary?
I don't really have a solution, just because there may not be a better option doesn't mean that unit is perfect and will never have any issues.

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Cleary's never the solution to anything. I think we all know that by now.

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Cleary actually did great work in front of the net in the playoffs.

He certainly didn't outscore Brunner by swimming around on his stomach the whole time.

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