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07-13-2005, 10:28 PM
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unreal, i can't believe the quote on nystrom. i think he's years away from the NHL. Thankfully, I think it's safe to say that Sutter knows better than me.

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I'm a Kings fan, and I would LOVE Neiminen...However, I have to agree, he's one of those players that you would never get full value in return for...He's great on the Flames, has a good attitude, work ethic, and brings a feisty/agitating game...Due to his low scoring potential, most teams wouldn't give up much for him...I also feel he is one of those players who shines on certain teams and would fade away in a different environment (See Devries or Podein when they were on Col, O'Donnell on the Kings, Carter in Edmonton, Quintal on the Habs, etc.).

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NOOOOOOO! Don't trade Ville! Love this guy and the Ville-Nilson-Donovan line was fantastic in the playoffs. If I were Sutter, I would try to keep those three together.

We need Ville on the Flames just for the quotes...

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I'm a Kings fan, and I would LOVE Neiminen...However, I have to agree, he's one of those players that you would never get full value in return for...He's great on the Flames, has a good attitude, work ethic, and brings a feisty/agitating game...Due to his low scoring potential, most teams wouldn't give up much for him...I also feel he is one of those players who shines on certain teams and would fade away in a different environment (See Devries or Podein when they were on Col, O'Donnell on the Kings, Carter in Edmonton, Quintal on the Habs, etc.).
Dude, Avery and Ville on the same line? Do you want line brawls every other game? Might as well trade for Barnaby and we can have a line that pisses everyone off all season.

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You'd be VERY hard pressed to find a Hawk fan that was upset at losing Ville. He has played ten times better in Calgary then he ever did in Chicago, but if you'd like to take another low skilled agitator that takes stupid penalties off of our hands, Nichol could be had for cheap...

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You'd be VERY hard pressed to find a Hawk fan that was upset at losing Ville. He has played ten times better in Calgary then he ever did in Chicago, but if you'd like to take another low skilled agitator that takes stupid penalties off of our hands, Nichol could be had for cheap...
From having both players play on the Flames now, IMO...

Ville >>>>> Nichol

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07-14-2005, 02:49 PM
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unreal, i can't believe the quote on nystrom. i think he's years away from the NHL. Thankfully, I think it's safe to say that Sutter knows better than me.
Same thoughts exactly, although one year in the AHL might be all the seasoning Nystrom needs. For now, we'll have to take Sutter at his word. This might also be an attempt at motivating Nystrom to perform at a higher level than he's accustomed, along with trying to get the LW vets to look over their shoulders a little.

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Same thoughts exactly, although one year in the AHL might be all the seasoning Nystrom needs. For now, we'll have to take Sutter at his word. This might also be an attempt at motivating Nystrom to perform at a higher level than he's accustomed, along with trying to get the LW vets to look over their shoulders a little.
The thing that worries me ALOT..is the NHl schedule. Nystrom is use to a short season when compared to an 80+ NHL or AHL season.

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what about ray whitney for ville straight up?
id do it dog. Heck why not through in Mike Montador in it as well to sweeten the deal.

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07-16-2005, 12:27 AM
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too bad Hawks Fans are so jaded I remember first noticing him in Jan 04 when they played against the Flames...I cursed Ville's name 50 times I think. Keep him...in a new NHL marketplace and Conroy gone...the Flames need someone who is just as unpredictable on the ice as he is off the ice.

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As a player, Niemenen is GREAT for the Flames! A perfect fit and with VERY underrated offensive skills (remember when he faked out Joseph in the crease and the twirl in the Tampa series?)


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Same thoughts exactly, although one year in the AHL might be all the seasoning Nystrom needs. For now, we'll have to take Sutter at his word. This might also be an attempt at motivating Nystrom to perform at a higher level than he's accustomed, along with trying to get the LW vets to look over their shoulders a little.
NCAA players usually have an easier adjustment to the pro's because of their maturity both physically and mentally. Yes, the short schedule is something to be concerened about, but I think Nystrom will be more hard pressed to make the team, just because of the depth we have at the forward position....

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too bad Hawks Fans are so jaded I remember first noticing him in Jan 04 when they played against the Flames...I cursed Ville's name 50 times I think. Keep him...in a new NHL marketplace and Conroy gone...the Flames need someone who is just as unpredictable on the ice as he is off the ice.
I don't think I'm anywhere near as jaded as you're making me out to be. Ville Nieminen of the playoffs looked nothing like the Ville we had during the regular season, and I know I'm not alone on that opinion.

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07-24-2005, 11:45 PM
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Sorry if i jumped on ya Hawksfan.....just going by that january game and he was great in it and then from when Ville was playing for the red and black. I still like the guy and reeeeaaallly hope to see him stay but in Sutter I trust.

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A couple of years ago, THN included some anonymous, off-the-record comments from players about other players, the league, the state of the game, etc. Anyhow, one was complaining about Ville Niemenen. It was something along the lines of that type of player taking away a Canadian job. Blah, blah, blah. (Never mind that a lot of those Canadian jobs are in American cities, and the NHL has has been striving hard for international exposure.) The editors stood up for Ville, saying that they have no problems with what he does.

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Neiminen's trade value is little. What Flame fan even heard of him prior to his arrival here? He's in the dime a dozen category.

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07-27-2005, 11:34 AM
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Neiminen's trade value is little. What Flame fan even heard of him prior to his arrival here? He's in the dime a dozen category.
I had and I'm sure many others had as well. Just because you were ignorant of a player does not mean everyone else was. Nieminen had some memorable moments in Colorado playing with some of the talent there.

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Ville is already a fan favorite, and he wouldn't garner enough in return for it to make sense to trade him. The guy gets under opposition's skin, and the Flames fans love him for it -- he also has very good chemistry with the likes of Donovan and Nilson.

The Flames would have to be getting away with highway robbery to trade him. It just isn't worth it otherwise...Ville helps sell tickets. But who knows, maybe his playoff performance was enough to boost his value just high enough for the Flames to get a real return for him? Doubt it. I personally would rather see him back with Donovan and Nilson, that line was just plain amazing.
I agree with this post 100%. Ville is a playoff performer and agitator similar to Claude Lemieux. He seems to step it up during the playoffs and give everything he can... thats sounds like a Sutter boy to me. Keep him.

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07-28-2005, 08:09 PM
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haha especially for that price... I dont think Ville is going anywhere...

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As a canucks fan, i like the guy.
He's like a Matt Cooke, fiesty player that hits all the time with some good offensive skills.
I wouldnt trade him if i was Calgary, give them Nilson instead

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I'd say that Nieminen's trade value is zero now.

According to this list he is now a UFA.

http://www.nhl.com/players/freelist05.html

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I just came across that myself. I'm quite dissapointed that he probably isin't coming back. I know it's not a huge, huge deal, but losing Conroy, Commodore, Gauthier and Ville, means less entertaining interviews....lol.....on a more serious note, I still would have liked to seen the Flames keep Nieminen...maybe they'll bring him back at a lower salary??? Or does Sutter really think that much of Nystrom that he'd clear a potential roster spot for him???

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I just came across that myself. I'm quite dissapointed that he probably isin't coming back. I know it's not a huge, huge deal, but losing Conroy, Commodore, Gauthier and Ville, means less entertaining interviews....lol.....on a more serious note, I still would have liked to seen the Flames keep Nieminen...maybe they'll bring him back at a lower salary??? Or does Sutter really think that much of Nystrom that he'd clear a potential roster spot for him???
It would have cost $500k to qualify him... you can't really get much cheaper than that in the new CBA...

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I just came across that myself. I'm quite dissapointed that he probably isin't coming back. I know it's not a huge, huge deal, but losing Conroy, Commodore, Gauthier and Ville, means less entertaining interviews....lol.....on a more serious note, I still would have liked to seen the Flames keep Nieminen...maybe they'll bring him back at a lower salary??? Or does Sutter really think that much of Nystrom that he'd clear a potential roster spot for him???
Must have been because of Ville's lack of discipline (running Cujo for example and the boarding penalty in the Tampa series).

I was a big fan but he was low on the depth chart. Bring on Nystrom, McCarty and Amonte!

What's with this people thinking that Nystrom is years away? Do you realize that he played 4 years of college? He's only a year younger than Kobasew. By all accounts his game is fairly well rounded. I've seen him at rookie camp last summer and he looked good. If Sutter says he's ready, then he's probably ready. Personally I thought he could have made the team or been sent to the minors but it sounds like he'll been given a great opportunity.

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