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12-06-2013, 05:20 PM
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If someone was going to be traded I would have preferred it to be Stewart. He's invisible the majority of the time whereas at least Perron was noticeably trying. I really wish St. Louis would have at least given him one more season to see what we really had.

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12-06-2013, 05:21 PM
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Wow let it go.

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Perron has more games missed because of injury than Oshie...

Oshie's around 90

Perron 100+
That is just looking at numbers instead of looking at the actual injuries that occurred and the frequency they occurred. It was 1 injury that Perron missed all his games from. He's one of the healthier player's we've had.

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12-06-2013, 06:46 PM
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All those precious points on a bottom dweller, what veteran with 1st line minutes hasn't done that before? If the guy was actually making them a better team and not out performing a bunch of younger players who were drafted with WAY higher expectations I might give a crap about losing him. He's taking advantage of a good situation, it'd have been nice if Roy was doing that here but neither of them are taking Backes or Steen's ice time no matter how well he produces. If Perron was going to be a power play specialist he could have done that a hell of a lot sooner, if he was going to be a top line producer and actually win games doing it he's had plenty of time to show it. (those guys are getting ice time based on match ups not just stats)

Roy will be gone, Morrow will be gone, Lapierre and Stewart may or may not, but all that money is going to end up somewhere and when it's not locked up on Perron it can go to a premium UFA for once instead of leftovers like Morrow and Roy. You keep acting like 3 months of hindsight is the limit, give 3 years and see how right or wrong you actually are. Hell lets even bother to finish the season. You have NO idea if this is the roster we're taking into the playoffs, NO idea if Perron will ever become that consistent or is just starting hot like 100s of other players before him, NO idea which players will be healthy or better adapted to line adjustments, NO idea who we're up against in the post season. So literally all those things Perron could impact you can't just belligerently say "oh well look at what he did with no pressure, no competition, and no responsibilities on the ice he clearly could have been that player for us all along and only my excuses about his poor performance are valid"


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12-06-2013, 07:22 PM
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That is just looking at numbers instead of looking at the actual injuries that occurred and the frequency they occurred. It was 1 injury that Perron missed all his games from. He's one of the healthier player's we've had.
I say that's not a good thing, especially since we're talking about a severe concussion. Not that it will happen and I sure hope it doesn't, but it's possible Perron is more likely to have serious problems in the future?

Oshie's broken ankle was a fluke in a non-hockey play, I don't think that makes him injury prone like some like to say, if that's your opinion you're entitled, but we'll have to agree to disagree.


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12-07-2013, 10:12 AM
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Oiler fan here. sorry to crash your thread.

St. Louis needed the roster spot and cap space, and are having an excellent season without Perron. So obviously he was a spare part. and you're getting a great draft pick!

on our side, Perron has been one of the few bright spots this year. He's been a great team player, busts his butt and has generally been a joy to watch.

I like to think of the trade as a win-win.

your team has a lot of fans in Edmonton. keep up the good work!

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12-07-2013, 10:17 AM
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Oiler fan here. sorry to crash your thread.

St. Louis needed the roster spot and cap space, and are having an excellent season without Perron. So obviously he was a spare part. and you're getting a great draft pick!

on our side, Perron has been one of the few bright spots this year. He's been a great team player, busts his butt and has generally been a joy to watch.

I like to think of the trade as a win-win.

your team has a lot of fans in Edmonton. keep up the good work!
Logic and reason? That doesn't make any sense, this is HF.

Glad you guys like Perron. He's an extremely dedicated and passionate player.

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12-07-2013, 11:06 AM
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Logic and reason? That doesn't make any sense, this is HF.

Glad you guys like Perron. He's an extremely dedicated and passionate player.
Our fanbase may differ on opinions of Perron but I think everyone would agree with this at least.

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12-07-2013, 11:36 AM
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Our fanbase may differ on opinions of Perron but I think everyone would agree with this at least.
Seeing him survive cut after cut, and then make the opening night roster as a rookie....that was something special. I remember a cousin of Perron's had started posting on the old NHL Blues board, and his enthusiasm was contagious.

I'll root for him wherever he plays. But I do think he dives a bit and embellishes to draw penalties. He glides into goalies and little things like that to irritate...which is humorous when he plays for you and maddening when he doesn't.

Hopefully Edmonton gets things turned around, but I'm more of the opinion that they're squandering some high level talent with a poor development plan and no larger team concept to build year to year.

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12-07-2013, 02:04 PM
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Perron/Roy

Roy has been great on the power play thus far. After losing Andy MacDonald (who wasn't the same after he got hurt) last year, the Blues needed another solid puck handler and passer for the power play. Roy fills this void. It's nice to see a guy in a Blues jersey carry the puck into the zone instead of the ole dump and chase method of the last decade. It's a long season, but I'd expect Roy to have a stronger end of the season than his start to this season thus far. Armstrong didn't give Roy a multiple year contract, got a highly skilled, motivated player on the roster. Overall, I can't see this as a bad choice.

Perron was traded after another offensive drought in the playoffs. For the second year in a row, the Blues couldn't solve Jonathan Quick and changes needed to be made to free up cap space to sign Stewart/Pietro and send a message to the remaining guys on the roster that more changes will be implemented if pucks don't start ending up in the back of the net come playoff time. If you think we should have kept Perron and let Stewart go, think about the lack of body size the Blues would have going into the playoffs, especially if a freak injury were to happen to Reaves or Morrow. Yes, Perron can put up 2 or 3 against Columbus in November, where was he against Los Angeles in the playoffs in April?

The Perron trade was a money dump and really can't be judged on the exchange of players. It can't be adequately judged until the playoffs are done. If Stewart starts slamming home some dirty goals in the second half and into the playoffs and Roy helps keep the power play a potent force, it's hard to argue Armstrong did anything wrong this past offseason. While Stewart hasn't had a great year to start off, his value was seen in both Colorado games and I'd be happy to see him in that Blues jersey come playoff time.

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12-07-2013, 03:01 PM
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Roy has been great on the power play thus far. After losing Andy MacDonald (who wasn't the same after he got hurt) last year, the Blues needed another solid puck handler and passer for the power play. Roy fills this void. It's nice to see a guy in a Blues jersey carry the puck into the zone instead of the ole dump and chase method of the last decade. It's a long season, but I'd expect Roy to have a stronger end of the season than his start to this season thus far. Armstrong didn't give Roy a multiple year contract, got a highly skilled, motivated player on the roster. Overall, I can't see this as a bad choice.

Perron was traded after another offensive drought in the playoffs. For the second year in a row, the Blues couldn't solve Jonathan Quick and changes needed to be made to free up cap space to sign Stewart/Pietro and send a message to the remaining guys on the roster that more changes will be implemented if pucks don't start ending up in the back of the net come playoff time. If you think we should have kept Perron and let Stewart go, think about the lack of body size the Blues would have going into the playoffs, especially if a freak injury were to happen to Reaves or Morrow. Yes, Perron can put up 2 or 3 against Columbus in November, where was he against Los Angeles in the playoffs in April?

The Perron trade was a money dump and really can't be judged on the exchange of players. It can't be adequately judged until the playoffs are done. If Stewart starts slamming home some dirty goals in the second half and into the playoffs and Roy helps keep the power play a potent force, it's hard to argue Armstrong did anything wrong this past offseason. While Stewart hasn't had a great year to start off, his value was seen in both Colorado games and I'd be happy to see him in that Blues jersey come playoff time.
Well said, I was thinking of something similar does Perron look like a difference maker against any of the top teams in the league? The Blues need more size against The Kings, and more speed against The Hawks and Sharks. Then size and speed if they meet Boston in the finals.

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12-07-2013, 05:57 PM
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Interesting article on Perron "being a jerk" from the Toronto Sun.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/20...or-a-long-time
I think the writer camparing Perron to Tikanen is pretty apt, his instigating penatiles and nasty in your face style is pretty much what Tik did for the oilers.

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12-07-2013, 06:01 PM
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Perron's putting up more points, in system that has zero defensive structure, that's a shocker. He was right he should put up more points there, but I think we all knew that already.

Its true St. Louis and Edmonton are polar opposites in coaching players. Plus Oilers are full of players that like to pass and Perron loves to shoot.

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12-07-2013, 10:26 PM
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It turns my stomach that we traded Perron instead of Stewart. Turned it then, turns it even worse now.

Perron has his drawbacks, but my god that kid plays with heart and passion. He just loves hockey. I don't think Stewart can even spell hockey.

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12-08-2013, 12:19 AM
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Made a great play on the tying goal with 10 seconds left.

He says he thinks he is back to where he was before the concussion.

Strike season he lost his timing.

Also still loves St.Louis

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12-08-2013, 12:43 AM
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How much would we have to add to Stewart to get Perron back?

Embarrassing, atrocious trade, at all times.

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How much would we have to add to Stewart to get Perron back?

Embarrassing, atrocious trade, at all times.
I love Army as our GM for a lot of reasons, but I think his one blind spot is waiting for too long on players he brought in. Halak and Stewart are not the answer. We've known this since last year. Yet this off-season he held onto both of them. Sure, Halak might not have gained us much in a trade, but David freaking Perron was given away for a 3rd liner and a 2nd......clearly we weren't looking for actual upgrades with our trade. I'd rather have kept Perron, signed Roy, and traded Halak for a 2nd straight up, or for MPS straight up. Edmonton was definitely looking for a goalie upgrade this off-season, go look at the tape of the draft when the Schnieder-to-NJ trade was announced, McTavish looks ready to murder someone.

Think about that for a second. Our lines could be:

Steen-Backes-Oshie
Schwartz-Berglund-Tarasenko
Perron-Roy-Stewart (or flip Roy and Berglund)
Sobotka-Lapierre-Reaves

Cracknell/Morrow/MPS (if we got him vs. the 2nd) That looks like -actual- depth, not the crap we keep trying to tell ourselves is a "Legit top 9"

I seriously don't understand anyone who defends Halak at this point. When I watch him vs. Elliott, there is literally nothing about Halak's game that is better then Elliott's. Elliott is bigger, more positionally solid, a better puck-handler, and doesn't have a glove hand that looks like swiss cheese. The ONLY thing anyone defending Halak can say about him was that he had that magical run in the play-offs a couple of years back, when OH BY THE WAY he was pulled in every other game he DIDN'T stop every shot in.

Only goalie to win us a play-off series in the last decade? Brian Elliott. Jaroslav Halak is Chris Stewart in goalie form.

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12-08-2013, 01:16 AM
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Armstrong is spending 14.2M cap dollars on Stewart, Roy, Lapierre, Leopold and Paajarvi. What if we had, instead, a real 8M center, Jaskin, Porter, and Perron?

I'll add that Stewart, Roy, Lapierre, Leopold and Paajarvi are 100% on Armstrong adding to this team.

I'll further add that 17.95M in cap space includes Halak, who is definitely not the answer. Elliott has been better at all times when both have been on the same team.

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12-08-2013, 02:06 AM
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The more I think about the trade the more it just baffles me.

Paajarvi, Morrow, and Lapierre all = 3.8m cap hit. The same cap hit as Perron. Lapierre was brought in to be the pest Perron can be. Morrow and Paajarvi as LW depth and possible goal scoring which they aren't as good as Perron.

There's a lot of redundancy going on. Armstrong failed pretty damn hard here.

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Wow let it go.
This but certain individuals won't, it's human nature.

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Why should we let it go ! It is sports.

You don't like talking about yet you are in a Thread about Perron, responding.

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This but certain individuals won't, it's human nature.
ADD human nature, spinning in hyper focus, probably in some intoxicated state of mind.

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The more I think about the trade the more it just baffles me.

Paajarvi, Morrow, and Lapierre all = 3.8m cap hit. The same cap hit as Perron. Lapierre was brought in to be the pest Perron can be. Morrow and Paajarvi as LW depth and possible goal scoring which they aren't as good as Perron.

There's a lot of redundancy going on. Armstrong failed pretty damn hard here.
He had multiple players left to re-sign including Pietro who wasn't making it easy for him. (look what happened with Subban after that bridge contract, now we look like we got a bargain if his rumored UFA years deal is around or over $8M)

He also brought in Lapierre to replace Nichol on the faceoff dot and then Sobotka happened making it seem redundant.

Paajarvi is a guy who's far enough from his "ceiling" that we can afford to keep around for a while, but also develop him to be a hockey player and not whatever the hell they're doing in Edmonton.

There's way too many people around here who think hindsight and pointing out the obvious means they're being intelligent or persuasive. The bottom line is, everything has context built around it, and people clamoring that Perron is a better hockey player than Paajarvi and Morrow are right, he also costs as much as both of them+ the cap insurance we ended up having to use already on Colaiacovo.

This idea that we somehow traded Perron for Roy just shows you how far the people throwing tantrums in hindsight are from the truth of the matter. We signed Roy because McDonald was gone, not because Perron was unworthy of the Blue note.

Our young core finally priced themselves into direct competition with each other for a spot on the team, if Perron was still here he'd still be getting moderate raises moving forward while the assets we replaced with his cap space can all be reinvested into a new core player to replace him (preferably at center, or in goal as far as the team looks today).

We dodged a bullet on Weiss, couldn't afford Filppula and frankly having either of those guys long term would have been sacrificing every other future UFA center as an option, and obviously there are much better choices than those two over the next two+ off seasons we would have retained them for.

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...and now Hitchcock is complaining to the press about the lack of "buy-in" on the team again. Wait a minute, I thought the Perron deal was "addition by subtraction" and trading the selfish Perron would make the Blues into a cohesive, well-oiled machine. Newsflash coach, if you still can't get players to buy-in to what you are trying to do, that's on you. But I forgot, Hitchcock won a Stanley Cup over a decade ago, therefore he doesn't get criticized.

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...and now Hitchcock is complaining to the press about the lack of "buy-in" on the team again. Wait a minute, I thought the Perron deal was "addition by subtraction" and trading the selfish Perron would make the Blues into a cohesive, well-oiled machine. Newsflash coach, if you still can't get players to buy-in to what you are trying to do, that's on you. But I forgot, Hitchcock won a Stanley Cup over a decade ago, therefore he doesn't get criticized.


He does get criticised, but just not very much because there isn't a lot to be critical about. People need to pull their heads out of their ***** about this season. Our start to the season was unsustainable and we've started losing a few games. I'd imagine that the flu bug going around the team has had a bigger impact in recent weeks than the team would ever admit, because it isn't about excuses. If they are out on the ice then they are expected to win, and they are doing that considering they have the second best point percentage in the League.

Hitch came in just over 2 years ago and turned the team into one of the best in the League overnight. We failed in the playoffs. We had a struggle at the start of last season and we adjusted, while we failed in the playoffs, the adjustments had been made and we really should have beaten the Kings. Now we're second in the League in point percentage and people are freaking the hell out because absolutely everything in the team isn't going perfectly. It's embarrassing.

People need to get over Perron or go become Edmonton fans. Who cares if he is putting up points on a cellar dweller, good for him. Attempting to evaluate the trade before the end of the year is just stupid.

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