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09-28-2013, 01:08 PM
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Who ARE the hockey gods

Silly question yes, but look deeper. Who would you define as a 'hockey God'? What legend would you put in the status of God? Is it regional? A Hockey God of Russia? A Hockey God of Administration? Coaches? Players?

How would you define it?

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There are really only four true hockey god players, but personally i definetely view Mats Sundin as a demigod becouse of his exploits for Team Sweden. We can call him a nordic hockey god that not many outside of aforemost Sweden belives in. It's about hockey theology.

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Players- Orr, Gretzky, Howe, Lemieux

Coach - Bowman

GM - Pollack

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It's an enormous cliché, but it's true - in Slovakia Miro Satan is the hockey God. Absolutelly.

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In some peopple in my hometown Rimouski, there's Sidney Crosby and there's God.

Crosby could pull out a 'Marty McSorley' and they would still a give him the thumbs up.

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Gretzky, Orr, Howe and Lemieux for sure. Possibly even in that order.

In Quebec the Rocket is easily a hockey god. Beliveau to an extent in Quebec, but he always seems to be treated more along the lines of the grandfather of the Montreal Canadiens.

I'll throw in another name, Paul Henderson in Canada.

Patrick Roy is the closest I can think of for a goalie.

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The Hockey Gods are the spirits of great players that control the bounces in a game. There is a God of Clutch, a God of Posts, a God of Rebounds, etc. Each time a great player retires, he takes over from a past player. Nicklas Lidstrom, the current God of Back-Boards, serves as THE Hockey God (like... Zeus?) a position he will hold until Jagr retires.

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Gretzky, Orr, Howe and Lemieux for sure. Possibly even in that order....
Quebec youve got Vezina, Durnan, Jacques Plante, long long list Phil. Of the modern era & Golden Age Sawchuk, Bower, Hall, Dryden, Cheevers, Esposito, Giacomin, Parent, Smith etc. All kinds of guys "Gods'" to either the players team & city, some transcending that to encompass the NHL & game itself. I dont actually put any player on that pedestal, be it Orr, Gretzky, Plante or whomever. Humans with foibles. All of them had faults... Henderson no "God", "Hero" yes. Semantics I suppose. But certainly theres a top tier by team, region, state/province & country, these so called "Gods" not always the best players but people who for a variety of reasons based on their accomplishments & character admired, looked up to, glorified & in some cases deified.

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I don´t think that many people in Finland have much respect on time before we started to product players to NA so I would say that in general view Finnish God would be Selänne.

Kurri has lost his godly shine working as GM of national team. People aren´t all that happy of his work.

Raimo Helminen was iconic national team player and he became larger than life figure, but I guess his work as coach has drop him in the class of human race.

So Selänne until he gets coaching or GM job.

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I guess you make a case for Tony Hand in the UK.

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from a canadian perspective i'd say sundin is more götterdämmerung than demi-god.

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Quebec youve got Vezina, Durnan, Jacques Plante, long long list Phil. Of the modern era & Golden Age Sawchuk, Bower, Hall, Dryden, Cheevers, Esposito, Giacomin, Parent, Smith etc. All kinds of guys "Gods'" to either the players team & city, some transcending that to encompass the NHL & game itself. I dont actually put any player on that pedestal, be it Orr, Gretzky, Plante or whomever. Humans with foibles. All of them had faults... Henderson no "God", "Hero" yes. Semantics I suppose. But certainly theres a top tier by team, region, state/province & country, these so called "Gods" not always the best players but people who for a variety of reasons based on their accomplishments & character admired, looked up to, glorified & in some cases deified.
I think the term "Gods" is more of a figure of speech when talking about players. Almost as if when you say you "idolize" a player. Another figure of speech, so when I call Paul Henderson or someone like that a hockey God I think of them in more of a reverent way, rather than actually idolizing them.

By the standards that we are talking about here I have pretty high ones when talking about a hockey god. Bernie Parent would be one in Philadelphia, but I prefer to pick the ones who are universally thought to be hockey gods everywhere. For example no matter where Wayne Gretzky is introduced, he gets a standing ovation.

Like in baseball, I would consider Willie Mays, Hank Aaron and perhaps even Yogi Berra as living baseball "gods". Recently deceased Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams and Joe DiMaggio fit that bill as well. Pete Rose, despite his faults, comes close although he has some powerful enemies. In other words, the standards I have would be that when you see them you are automatically in awe and when they pass away you can remember where you were when you heard it.

Conversely, in the NFL I would think Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Jim Brown and as a coach - Don Shula - fit that bill of automatic reverence when they are introduced.

Are those too high of standards?

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Are those too high of standards?
Well, those are your standards, you set the bar as high you'd like really as much of its subjective. If you'd grown up & or just lived in Philadelphia from the late 60's through the 70's you could very well think Fred Shero, Bobby Clarke & Bernie Parent were all "Hockey Gods". Some might include Bob Mad Dog Kelly. Gary Dornhoefer. It just depends. When you get to the highest of the high in terms of elevation I personally leave the players off that list altogether. Go with GM's & Coaches, brilliant Scouts & Administrators/Owners; guys who really put it all together, the aforementioned like Gorman, Tarasov & Pollock; Id add Art Ross to that list as well.

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where does the miracle on ice team players rank? like jim craig?

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It's an enormous cliché, but it's true - in Slovakia Miro Satan is the hockey God. Absolutelly.
Satan for sure

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where does the miracle on ice team players rank? like jim craig?
Id go with Herb Brooks; Hockey God.

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There us no bigger hockey God ever then Rocket Richard to francophone Quebec in the later 40's and 50's. M

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I would have to say, they have to have passed so no living Gods.

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Gretzky, Orr, Howe and Lemieux for sure. Possibly even in that order.

In Quebec the Rocket is easily a hockey god. Beliveau to an extent in Quebec, but he always seems to be treated more along the lines of the grandfather of the Montreal Canadiens.

I'll throw in another name, Paul Henderson in Canada.

Patrick Roy is the closest I can think of for a goalie.
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There us no bigger hockey god ever then Rocket Richard to francophone Quebec in the later 40's and 50's. M
I have to agree with the Gretzky-Orr-Howe-Lemieux sentiment. That seems to be pretty much the consensus in the hockey world.

I DO wonder why Richard doesn't get more props... He would (or should) easily make the top 5.


I'm not Canadian, but Paul Henderson should be in the Hall of Fame simply on the strength of his Summit Series heroics. To those who say his NHL numbers aren't good enough, I say that it's the Hall of FAME, not the Hall of Statistics.

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I guess you make a case for Tony Hand in the UK.
Chick Zamick.

http://www.1972summitseries.com/otherzamick.html

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Jeremy Jacobs, Ed Snider, Tim Leiweke, etc..

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Chick Zamick.
Isnt that awesome eh? One of 10 children (13 born, 3 dying) of Russian immigrants to Winnipeg, the guy didnt even start playing hockey until 15. Winds up in Nottingham a Celebrity locally & throughout the BNL. The Nottingham Panthers pretty much the class of pro hockey in the UK over the years with really only 2 or 3 serious rivals at various times. ... interesting as well that after retiring stays in the UK opening up several businesses, eventually winding up in London I believe. Passed away some time ago. In the British & Manitoba HH's of Fame.

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There are clearly 5 hockey gods at least, by any definition:

Gordie Howe, Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Orr, Mario Lemieux, Rocket Richard, ....

from start to finish seen as beyond reproach and respected by millions as the best ever ....

(Of course, the above list is just Canadians,... Russians, Swedes and other nationalities have their own list of revered best evers)

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