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10-11-2013, 07:16 PM
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no one's really had a chance to yet. only a period or two to tryout? thats not nearly enough time to really get a good grasp on whether they're fit to play together.


however, i wouldn't put etem up there with the twins, imo he hasn't deserved it nor do i think he'd fit well.
in the game against NY he was probably one of our worst forwards. all he did was skate and hit. he very rarely had the puck on his stick..

thats not what i want to see from a guy that was scoring almost at a goal per game in his last junior season. develop him to be a top-6 scoring stud. not some bottom 6 energy providing banger..
BK I don't think he is 100 percent yet. In another thread I recommended we sit him awhile longer. His speed and being pushed off checks kinda spoke for itself. If I was BB I would rest him until the entire coaching staff agreed he's ready. We been whooping ass without em. We will be whooping even more ass when he's healthy.

Rest him BB! Don't let SoCal down and have him injure himself further! He's going to be the next face of the franchise.... Ducksgo approved!


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10-11-2013, 07:58 PM
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That's because no one has looked good with them this year so far, Etem should get a chance just to see how it fits.
Penner has looked fine. We don't really know how Palmieri does up there because he hasn't played a full season yet. Etem won't fit with the twins. He plays the oppisote of the style the twins like to play.

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10-14-2013, 01:52 AM
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I have no idea what the Ducks do when Sbisa comes back. Vatanen and Lindholm are playing their way to being regulars. Allen looks great. I love pairing Lovejoy with Fowler, they appear to have good chemistry. And Beauchemin isn't sitting (obviously).

I guess it's a good problem to have.

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10-14-2013, 01:54 AM
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I have no idea what the Ducks do when Sbisa comes back. Vatanen and Lindholm are playing their way to being regulars. Allen looks great. I love pairing Lovejoy with Fowler, they appear to have good chemistry. And Beauchemin isn't sitting (obviously).

I guess it's a good problem to have.
Don't forget about Souray also...

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10-14-2013, 01:57 AM
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I have no idea what the Ducks do when Sbisa comes back. Vatanen and Lindholm are playing their way to being regulars. Allen looks great. I love pairing Lovejoy with Fowler, they appear to have good chemistry. And Beauchemin isn't sitting (obviously).

I guess it's a good problem to have.
I think Sbisa is just about done in Anaheim.

We have 6 defenseman playing excellent hockey right now, and Souray is making big money and is coming back in January....

Fowler-Beauchemin
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10-14-2013, 02:02 AM
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I think Sbisa is just about done in Anaheim.

We have 6 defenseman playing excellent hockey right now, and Souray is making big money and is coming back in January....

Fowler-Beauchemin
Souray-Lindholm
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Fowler Beauchemin just doesn't work for some reason.

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10-14-2013, 02:06 AM
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Btw by BB post game interview sounds like they are planning on sending Lindholm back down later on (or at least that's how I interpreted it.)

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10-14-2013, 02:11 AM
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Fowler Beauchemin just doesn't work for some reason.
I'd still like to see it tried again when Beauchemin looks healthier. Im not sure it wasn't, at least partially, health related.

If it can work, it also changes things with Lovejoy and it could put his spot in danger. It potentially gives us more options, and as much as I like Lovejoy, I'm really not sure he's a legit top 4 guy.

I'm really happy with the Allen-Vatanen pairing though. I really think that goes a long way in helping Boudreau roll three D pairings consistently.

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10-14-2013, 02:13 AM
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Don't forget about Souray also...
Yes, but Souray won't be back until late December if I'm correct. Right now he's not in the equation. Injuries, trade(s), etc. are all possible between now and then.

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I think Sbisa is just about done in Anaheim.

We have 6 defenseman playing excellent hockey right now, and Souray is making big money and is coming back in January....

Fowler-Beauchemin
Souray-Lindholm
Allen-Vatanen
Lovejoy
See above post.

What would you be looking for in return for Sbisa? I'd either try packaging Sbisa for a top pairing defenseman, or trade him for a good prospect (preferably on D).

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10-14-2013, 02:14 AM
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Perry: 3 goals, 3 assists = 6 points
Perrault: 2 goals, 3 assists = 5 points
Silfverberg: 4 goals, 1 assist = 5 points
Getzlaf: 2 goals, 2 assists = 4 points
Bonino: 2 goals, 1 assist = 3 points
Cogliano: 1 goal, 2 assists = 3 points
Koivu: 2 goals, 1 assist = 3 points
Penner: 1 goal, 2 assists = 3 points
Selanne: 0 goals, 3 assists = 3 points
Winnik: 1 goal, 2 assists = 3 points
Beauchemin: 0 goals, 2 assists = 2 points
Lindholm: 0 goals, 2 assists = 2 points
Allen, Fistric, Fowler, Lovejoy, Maroon, Vatanen: 1 assist

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10-14-2013, 02:18 AM
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Yes, but Souray won't be back until late December if I'm correct. Right now he's not in the equation. Injuries, trade(s), etc. are all possible between now and then.



See above post.

What would you be looking for in return for Sbisa? I'd either try packaging Sbisa for a top pairing defenseman, or trade him for a good prospect (preferably on D).
Sbisa has very little value. I'd take a 2nd round pick at this point for him...That's probably what his value is

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Sbisa has very little value. I'd take a 2nd round pick at this point for him...That's probably what his value is
No, he is still young and has all the tools (other than IQ atm) to be a top 2 or 4 defensemen.

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Sbisa has very little value. I'd take a 2nd round pick at this point for him...That's probably what his value is
Wow. You're mistaken. Sbisa has value, he's 23 and on a good contract that takes him to RFA. I'd be shocked if multiple teams wouldn't trade a 1st round pick for him.

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10-14-2013, 02:25 AM
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Unless Fowler-Lindholm works as a pairing, Souray might have a tough time re-entering this line-up. Beauchemin-Fowler could work again once Beauch gets healthy and plays like he can, but I'd prefer to keep them split and Cam on the left side. Hell, Sbisa's best chance, once he's healthy, almost certainly involves him becoming that right side partner we need for Fowler.

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Unless Fowler-Lindholm works as a pairing, Souray might have a tough time re-entering this line-up. Beauchemin-Fowler could work again once Beauch gets healthy and plays like he can, but I'd prefer to keep them split and Cam on the left side. Hell, Sbisa's best chance, once he's healthy, almost certainly involves him becoming that right side partner we need for Fowler.
agreed

Lindholm/Souray Beauchemin
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i think we'd be giving up on sbisa way too early if all we're gonna get back for him is a 2nd roudn pick

he's still an incredibly enticing project because if he were to ever put it all together he'd be a very valuable top-4 defenseman

right now i coudl see him displacing lovejoy if he were to come in and not suck

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10-14-2013, 02:31 AM
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Wow. You're mistaken. Sbisa has value, he's 23 and on a good contract that takes him to RFA. I'd be shocked if multiple teams wouldn't trade a 1st round pick for him.
Prepare to be shocked.

He hasn't shown anything more than he can be a 3rd pairing guy. Doubt anyone forks over their first round pick for "potential". That's all Sbisa is - potential.

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10-14-2013, 02:34 AM
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Some defensemen don't start to get it til they are in their 30's

Sbisa has everything you could want, size, speed, can hit, can fight, hard shot, can pass well, his IQ and awareness need working.

I wouldn't give up on him just yet.

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Prepare to be shocked.

He hasn't shown anything more than he can be a 3rd pairing guy. Doubt anyone forks over their first round pick for "potential". That's all Sbisa is - potential.
Thrashers made the same mistake with Braydon Coburn, trading him for probably the equivalent of a second round pick, or less. He was younger, but also had proven a lot less at the time.

At the same time, if we can deal him in a way that will bring back a better fit for Fowler, I'm all for it. If not, and it probably won't happen, then oh well.

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Unless Fowler-Lindholm works as a pairing, Souray might have a tough time re-entering this line-up. Beauchemin-Fowler could work again once Beauch gets healthy and plays like he can, but I'd prefer to keep them split and Cam on the left side. Hell, Sbisa's best chance, once he's healthy, almost certainly involves him becoming that right side partner we need for Fowler.
Beauchemin plays RD. He and Cam can play together with Cam still on the left if they need to .

As for the problem of having too many bodies - there will be growing pains with Lindholm and Vatanen, I doubt we see both guys suit up the whole rest of the way. They're inevitable for most rookie defensemen.

As for Sbisa - yeah it could be a mistake trading him but at the same time if we keep him and he doesn't progress at all we might have blown a chance to get something of value for him. It's a tough call for Murray what to do with him.


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Beauchemin plays RD. He and Cam can play together with Cam still on the left if they need to .

As for the problem of having too many bodies - there will be growing pains with Lindholm and Vatanen, I doubt we see both guys suit up the whole rest of the way. They're inevitable for most rookie defensemen.

As for Sbisa - yeah it could be a mistake trading him but at the same time if we keep him and he doesn't progress at all we might have blown a chance to get something of value for him. It's a tough call for Murray what to do with him.
Even with Fowler? I thought when those two were together, Fowler went to the right side for some reason? Either way, I still prefer them split.

And yes, too many bodies isn't a bad thing at all, but 8 is too many bodies, and unless we send either or both down, it is a situation that will need some work. I'm hoping we don't, Lovejoy is a very dependable 7th guy, and even with growing pains, overall the line-up is better with them. If there's a fit for Fowler out there, I'd be very comfortable icing a defensive line-up with both rookies in it for the most part.

And of course, that's a chance you take, but even if he doesn't progress much, Sbisa's still proven to be a good enough defender, and with his skillset, could probably still fetch a decent return. Even if he plateau's as a 4-6 type guy, I would think he could fetch a second round pick, given his skillset and ability to play both sides of the ice. No reason to deal him for that right now.

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10-14-2013, 04:35 AM
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I don`t think it`s a bad situation to have many defenseman. The season is long and hockey gods are giving a lot of injuries to us

Souray and some others might benefit with sitting out some games in a long run. The problem is not having 1-2 ''top notch guys'', but that is an old story

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10-14-2013, 04:04 PM
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I didn't want to continue the d-man debate in the game day thread so I figured I'd bring it here.

Lindholm (for the love of god can we stop calling him Magnus) has looked very, very good. I would much prefer him to stay in the lineup than Sbisa. But that creates a hell of a problem since we need to move a d-man. As much as I'd like it to be Sbisa he could fetch us a decent return come the deadline and we should hold onto to him until them. To me the simplest solution is get rid of Fistric. He's completely redundant shouldn't be around by the time Souray is healthy anyway. Waive him or miraculously trade him and give Lindholm a long look. If he ends up playing like a rookie at some point send him down but he deserves to stick around right now.

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10-14-2013, 04:29 PM
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No coach is going to choose a weaker roster, now, because we might lose out on a trade at some later point. If Sbisa comes back and we aren't playing at the same level or better, then I think you can count on the odd man out leaving. Fistric is the guy that looks marked. He was brought in to sub while Souray was out, and was a likely target to leave once Souray returned. If Lindholm keeps playing the way that he has, then that timetable gets moved up.

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nevermind the dmen, theyve been great!.. what the heck is up with Palmieri??haha.. off to a rough start offensively and also getting not much paying time at all!!!.. i had high hopes for him this year but he has done nothing

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