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09-30-2013, 12:39 AM
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Liles to Nashville

With Toronto waving Liles I was wonder if other Nashville fans would be in favor to picking him up. Adds another LDH to play with Jones and that would leave Josi and Weber together and put Bartley/Ellis with Klein. If this were to happen that lead to trading Ellis and Spaling.

I think it would work out pretty well and would open up some more option in are defense to trade for Offence

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not trading Ellis under any circumstance right now. Housley is very high on him. Kept Ekholm rather than Piskula as the 7D, and so they feel they can work him into a rotation at some point, rather than let him play big minutes in MKE. The defense is set. Liles is not an upgrade.

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We really don't have any room for him and his contract is awful at nearly 4 million a season. I'd much rather stick with the defense we have.

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My guess is that Toronto was offering Liles at half salary for a 7th to all teams, possibly even adding an incentive for a team to take him. I highly doubt any team takes him at full cost. A team may want him if they run into serious injury trouble, but that won't happen for another couple months at least.

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My guess is that Toronto was offering Liles at half salary for a 7th to all teams, possibly even adding an incentive for a team to take him. I highly doubt any team takes him at full cost. A team may want him if they run into serious injury trouble, but that won't happen for another couple months at least.
Get real.

Liles at 1.9M x 3 years is a steal

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09-30-2013, 11:49 AM
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As a leafs fan I'd be happy to take on a contract or 2 of Nashville they did not want to help facilitate a deal

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Get real.

Liles at 1.9M x 3 years is a steal
Yup. Anything less than 3M would still be quite fair value.

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With Toronto waving Liles I was wonder if other Nashville fans would be in favor to picking him up. Adds another LDH to play with Jones and that would leave Josi and Weber together and put Bartley/Ellis with Klein. If this were to happen that lead to trading Ellis and Spaling.

I think it would work out pretty well and would open up some more option in are defense to trade for Offence
I was thinking the same thing but not sure we can do it with the whole salary. Maybe work out a deal if he clears waivers. Would look good on power play unit with Jones, Weber, or Ellis. Showed good flashes of offense against Red Wings the other day. But it would have to require some salary being kept by Toronto or some way of clearing enough space for him to fit in here.

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No one wants that contract

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Well the value of was free when he was put on waivers. Just have to take that contract.

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Get real.

Liles at 1.9M x 3 years is a steal
For the Leafs maybe.....

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I can't see Nashville taking that contract term, more than money.

Toronto would have to retain a decent chunk of salary, as Liles would put them over the cap as is stands now.

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For the Leafs maybe.....
A 30-40 point Dman for less than 2 million is a deal for anybody. Even at 20-29 points that is good value.

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I can't see Nashville taking that contract term, more than money.

Toronto would have to retain a decent chunk of salary, as Liles would put them over the cap as is stands now.
Leafs wouldn't have a problem retaining 40 to 50% of the salary of this year if it meant not receiving much, if at all, back.

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Get real.

Liles at 1.9M x 3 years is a steal
Agreed. Liles at under $2mil would be an asset that would generate interest from quite a few teams, IMO.

Calgary, Carolina, Colorado (depending on if he burned any bridges), Dallas, Edmonton, Florida, Islanders are probably among the teams who would move a mid-late(4th-5th-6th round) pick for a half-price Liles.

Problem is, for Toronto, eating half of Liles's salary is a tough pill to swallow for the next 3 years.

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A 30-40 point Dman for less than 2 million is a deal for anybody. Even at 20-29 points that is good value.
Not when that defenseman that gets you 30 points costs you 40 defensively. JML is basically MAB. Useful on only half the ice surface. It's why he didn't even play in the Leafs top 6 last year. He's not really an NHL defenseman, unless it's in a specialty PP type of role.

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If the preds could add Liles without giving too much up, their d becomes top-notch.

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Agreed. Liles at under $2mil would be an asset that would generate interest from quite a few teams, IMO.

Calgary, Carolina, Colorado (depending on if he burned any bridges), Dallas, Edmonton, Florida, Islanders are probably among the teams who would move a mid-late(4th-5th-6th round) pick for a half-price Liles.

Problem is, for Toronto, eating half of Liles's salary is a tough pill to swallow for the next 3 years.
Count Calgary out. We have Wideman, Giordano, Brodie and Russell who all move the puck well and actually can play defense. I'm have no interest in Liles period unless he brought a 1st round pick over with him.

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My guess is that Toronto was offering Liles at half salary for a 7th to all teams, possibly even adding an incentive for a team to take him. I highly doubt any team takes him at full cost. A team may want him if they run into serious injury trouble, but that won't happen for another couple months at least.
Flames wouldnt take Liles with Colbourne attached. No chances they are getting rid of him that easy.

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Count Calgary out. We have Wideman, Giordano, Brodie and Russell who all move the puck well and actually can play defense. I'm have no interest in Liles period unless he brought a 1st round pick over with him.
Flames could probably take Liles at half price, give him 1st unit PP minutes for most of the year, and sell him at the deadline for a profit.

Calgary's not playing for this year, so it really doesn't matter who they play on defence, as long as their young guys get experience and their old guys play well enough that they can sell them for as much as they can get for them. Liles falls under the latter category.

Not saying Calgary should do it, but if they did do it, I would completely understand why.

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Toronto managed to fit under the cap.

There is no point in the Leafs trading him now well retaining some of his cap hit across multiple seasons. Where would we need this extra cap money for between now and the deadline (where things like LTIR, etc, will take care of creating enough room to add a player).

Injuries will hit and Liles can be the first call up (re-entry waivers no longer exist) and a luxury as probably the best 7th/8th Dman in the league. The team can review trading him at the deadline when a team gets desperate for a Dman but doesn't want to give up a lot of assets that it requires to get any decent player OR can look to deal him next off-season.

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A 30-40 point Dman for less than 2 million is a deal for anybody. Even at 20-29 points that is good value.
He is a PP specialist and that is about it. He is aliability on defense.

Also remember is ACTUAL SALRAY is more than his cap hit. Even at $1.9M cap hit many teams have a solid prospect making only about a $1M if not less who could do a better job.

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He is a PP specialist and that is about it. He is aliability on defense.

Also remember is ACTUAL SALRAY is more than his cap hit. Even at $1.9M cap hit many teams have a solid prospect making only about a $1M if not less who could do a better job.
He actually only has 11.25 remaining on the contact (3.75 avg) in real dollars compared to 3.875 cap hit per year cause it was a front loaded deal where he gets 2.75 in real dollars in the last year.

Good luck finding a prospect who can run a first unit PP for that kind of money. Even if you do he's going to want a huge pay increase right after his deal is up.

Crazy thing is Liles with limited minutes last year still had 11 points (only 1 of which was a PP point) would have no value at 1.9 million cause no chance he could ever get back to being a perennial 40 point Dman. Yet I'm certain fans of their respective teams will hype Diaz, Kulikov, Fowler, Petry, Barrie, Diaz, Brodie who are offensive Dman all with defensive issues to a varying degrees that finished with less than 15 points and are bound to become great deals according to fans.

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Flames could probably take Liles at half price, give him 1st unit PP minutes for most of the year, and sell him at the deadline for a profit.
With 2 years left on his contract? Delusional talk. He wouldn't be a rental.

Saying Liles at $2M would be a great deal is like saying Luongo at $3.5M would be great deal. Sure... but it's all a fantasy.

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Defencemen who are PP specialists just are not worth that much.

Liles is about as desirable as the Anton (Babchuk). No one wanted Liles for free, which confirms his negative value. The question is what assets is Toronto willing to throw in to sweeten the deal.

Also, Calgary is a horrible destination for Liles. We are leaving our bottom defensive spots open for prospects.

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