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09-30-2013, 09:03 AM
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I may be wrong, but I believe with the new CBA re-entry waivers and their notorious half price deals have been nixed.
There's no re-entry waivers in the new CBA.

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09-30-2013, 09:47 AM
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There's no re-entry waivers in the new CBA.
Thanks for clearing that up

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Is he worth four times Ryan Whitney? Probably not.
Ryan Whitney was one of the worst d-men in the NHL last year defensively and if he doesn't take 1 year 1 million he's probably not getting an NHL contract at all so that's not really a good way to measure it

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liles will clear. I can assure you Nonis did everything in his power to trade him... for free.
Liles will clear because of his contract. No one will touch it.

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09-30-2013, 10:05 AM
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Ryan Whitney was one of the worst d-men in the NHL last year defensively and if he doesn't take 1 year 1 million he's probably not getting an NHL contract at all so that's not really a good way to measure it
It was more a statement on the present cost to acquire talent.

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09-30-2013, 10:11 AM
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1) no such thing as free

2) maybe he refused to waive his NTC?
1. It's called trading someone for future considerations

2. Obviously he would waive it if he knew he would either get traded or waived.

Liles has negative value and nobody in the league wants his terrible contract, no matter what Leafs fans think.

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09-30-2013, 10:13 AM
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Looks unlikely anybody will be claiming Liles.

I'm guessing he gets called up around the game 9-10 mark of the season. Rielly can play a maximum of 9 games before they burn a year of his ELC and Clarkson has a 10-game suspension that counts against the cap well requiring us to call up another player (Ashton).

Liles will have to re-go through waivers to be called up but if nobody grabs him this time he's highly unlikely to get grabbed coming back up.

Toronto is probably just stuck with Liles for this year and will look to deal him next off-season and may find a marketplace for him because their will be two years left on his deal in what already looks to be a weak UFA D market.

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09-30-2013, 10:32 AM
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Funny thing is that most NHL teams would only have one or two defencemen on their rosters who could outscore Liles (provided that Liles is given decent ice time). Basically 0.5 points/game if given decent ice time.

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09-30-2013, 10:38 AM
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Looks unlikely anybody will be claiming Liles.

I'm guessing he gets called up around the game 9-10 mark of the season. Rielly can play a maximum of 9 games before they burn a year of his ELC and Clarkson has a 10-game suspension that counts against the cap well requiring us to call up another player (Ashton).

Liles will have to re-go through waivers to be called up but if nobody grabs him this time he's highly unlikely to get grabbed coming back up.

Toronto is probably just stuck with Liles for this year and will look to deal him next off-season and may find a marketplace for him because their will be two years left on his deal in what already looks to be a weak UFA D market.
No more re-entry waivers.

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09-30-2013, 10:51 AM
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Funny thing is that most NHL teams would only have one or two defencemen on their rosters who could outscore Liles (provided that Liles is given decent ice time). Basically 0.5 points/game if given decent ice time.
I get that everyone over there is dreaming of Rielly's and Gardiner's premium seasons already, but realistically Toronto only has two Dmen who can score 0.5 points/game if given decent ice time.

And that is just taking that 0.5 points/game statement at face value.

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09-30-2013, 11:03 AM
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All Leafs have cleared waivers.

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09-30-2013, 11:04 AM
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I get that everyone over there is dreaming of Rielly's and Gardiner's premium seasons already, but realistically Toronto only has two Dmen who can score 0.5 points/game if given decent ice time.

And that is just taking that 0.5 points/game statement at face value.
Phaneuf, Franson, Ranger.. they can all do it in addition to Jake and Morgan who are knocking at the door.

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09-30-2013, 11:22 AM
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All Leafs have cleared waivers.
I guess that settles all the 'value of Liles' (negative) and 'value of Holzer' (nil) threads.

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09-30-2013, 11:56 AM
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Anyone think that the Letang injury might create a spot for JML? Obviously, TOR would have to take some salary back, or keep part of JML's salary for it to work, but it might make sense if Letang is going to be out long term.

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09-30-2013, 11:58 AM
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Anyone think that the Letang injury might create a spot for JML? Obviously, TOR would have to take some salary back, or keep part of JML's salary for it to work, but it might make sense if Letang is going to be out long term.
Liles in Letang's spot? I don't think Shero could do enough drugs to convince himself that's a good move.

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09-30-2013, 12:01 PM
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Anyone think that the Letang injury might create a spot for JML? Obviously, TOR would have to take some salary back, or keep part of JML's salary for it to work, but it might make sense if Letang is going to be out long term.
If Letang's out for awhile, he'll most likely be replaced internally; Pens have no cap room and alot of D prospects waiting in the wings...

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09-30-2013, 12:03 PM
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This sucks for Liles. Class act, deserves to be in the NHL.

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09-30-2013, 12:04 PM
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Liles in Letang's spot? I don't think Shero could do enough drugs to convince himself that's a good move.
JML was always pretty good offensively from my perpsective. Obviously, he's not as good as Letang in the other aspects of the game, but JML would likely be the best d-man available for very little asset wise.

I didn't see JML play much last year, but from what I remember I'd still rather have JML than a guy like Carle, Streit or Wideman, who are both making $4.5-5.5M. Not saying that he's a defensive stalwart, but JML was a solid 2nd pair guy IMO. Or has his game really hit the tank recently?

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09-30-2013, 12:08 PM
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2 months into the season when teams get injuries liles will have value right now no one wants to add.

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09-30-2013, 12:15 PM
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2 months into the season when teams get injuries liles will have value right now no one wants to add.
I'm thinking the same thing. Theres no pressure for any team to add Liles at his present contract value, maybe sometime during the season, or if Liles plays himself back onto the roster. Him not getting picked up at the moment is no reason to assume to that we will, for sure, be stuck with him for the next 2-3 years (however long his contract is).

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09-30-2013, 12:19 PM
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Phaneuf, Franson, Ranger.. they can all do it in addition to Jake and Morgan who are knocking at the door.
Ranger wasn't even .5 ppg on the Marlies no way he gets 41 points this year.

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Poor guy. That must be tough on an established player who still can contribute on a NHL team.

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09-30-2013, 12:21 PM
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Does any of his salary go against the cap?

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09-30-2013, 12:21 PM
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I guess that settles all the 'value of Liles' (negative) and 'value of Holzer' (nil) threads.
Liles at this moment made hold zero or negative value still (hasn't been determined) as more teams are trying to lower their caps then to add players (except Florida). Lets see how injuries effect teams as the season progresses. Lile's value you be volatile over the next couple seasons based on injuries, free agency, changes in the cap, and his play with the Leafs/Marlies.

I still believe Holzer holds value, nothing significant though, just no-one wants him to play on their NHL team at this time. He is still developing. Toronto should be happy he cleared waivers, and let him progress in the AHL till an injury call up is needed.

EDIT: It is also important to note he only makes 2.75 million salary in his final year.


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Does any of his salary go against the cap?
$2.95 Million of it. His cap hit is reduced by 925K

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