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10-19-2013, 10:14 PM
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Is the time coming for Josh Gorges?

I was on the TSN 690 hold line for a half hour before I could talk about Gorges. After I asked my question regarding Gorges, I was cut off. If anybody could fill me in it'd be appreciated. Anyways..

I am a huge Josh Gorges fan. Ever since he was acquired a few years back by Gainey I have always supported the minute-eating defenseman. However, with last years lockout-shortened season and the few games through this year, I have been very disappointed with Gorges. He's coughing up pucks in his own zone, he's getting pounded by the opposing team. The thing about Gorges, which I'm sure we all know, is that he's a one-dimensional player. He contributes no offense. I'm fine with this, because he brings intangibles to our team that can't be further appreciated (leadership, character, etc.). But Gorges hasn't been playing well the last 50 or so games. He hasn't been playing well defensively, and when he's not playing defense, what is he doing?

Alls I've been hearing is how poor Desharnais is playing and how underperforming Briere is. Where's the criticism to Gorges?

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I was on the TSN 690 hold line for a half hour before I could talk about Gorges. After I asked my question regarding Gorges, I was cut off. If anybody could fill me in it'd be appreciated. Anyways..

I am a huge Josh Gorges fan. Ever since he was acquired a few years back by Gainey I have always supported the minute-eating defenseman. However, with last years lockout-shortened season and the few games through this year, I have been very disappointed with Gorges. He's coughing up pucks in his own zone, he's getting pounded by the opposing team. The thing about Gorges, which I'm sure we all know, is that he's a one-dimensional player. He contributes no offense. I'm fine with this, because he brings intangibles to our team that can't be further appreciated (leadership, character, etc.). But Gorges hasn't been playing well the last 50 or so games. He hasn't been playing well defensively, and when he's not playing defense, what is he doing?

Alls I've been hearing is how poor Desharnais is playing and how underperforming Briere is. Where's the criticism to Gorges?
He's been criticized. And yes, he's kind of gone away.

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Considering how the majority of our offence comes from our youngest line there is a very good reason why DD, Gionta and Briere are considered below average. Gorges gets plenty of blame, this is nothing new. Before the winning streak people were saying he was done in the nhl and now they have all crawled out from under their rocks to start the same scape goating ******** over again.

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I thought/hoped Gorges was playing better offensively this season, shooting on net instead of into the corner. He has three points in the last four games, only had nine in 48 games last season.

But yeah I hope Emelin, Tinordi and Murray will force out at least two of Bouillon Gorges Diaz.

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I thought/hoped Gorges was playing better offensively this season, shooting on net he has three points in the last four games only had nine in 48 games last season.

But yeah I hope Emelin, Tinordi and Murray will force out at least two of Bouillon Gorges Diaz.
I think Bouillon will retire at year's end. My opinion I suppose.

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What the **** are you smoking? He's been good so far.

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What the **** are you smoking? He's been good so far.
I think you're the one smoking. He's been "okay" at best. No way he's been good.

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Gorges is not the problem, in fact, he's not a problem at all. I don't know why yo are singling him out when there are so many bigger issues with the team. Gorges isn't and never was elite, the team doesn't run through him, he's entitled to suckage and let's be real here, no one ever expected Gorges to be a top defensive defenseman in the league save for a few overexcited fans during his best season. His best attribute is catching pucks to the body and I really with MT to put a LOT more emphasis on that. Seems like since JM we aren't a shot blocking team anymore at all.

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I think you're the one smoking. He's been "okay" at best. No way he's been good.
I agree with mr Mon Amour

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I think Bouillon will retire at year's end. My opinion I suppose.
I think he will too, he said in an interview last week I think it was someone posted that he wants to stay in hockey after her is done maybe as a scout, so he is already thinking about life after hockey

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Gorges is not the problem, in fact, he's not a problem at all. I don't know why yo are singling him out when there are so many bigger issues with the team. Gorges isn't and never was elite, the team doesn't run through him, he's entitled to suckage and let's be real here, no one ever expected Gorges to be a top defensive defenseman in the league save for a few overexcited fans during his best season. His best attribute is catching pucks to the body and I really with MT to put a LOT more emphasis on that. Seems like since JM we aren't a shot blocking team anymore at all.
So we're paying $3.5 mil a year for a shotblocker? Doesn't sound right to me.

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We should make sure we've got a back up plan if we're trading our only defenceman under contract for next year....

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Gorges is a 4th defenseman playing much of the time as a 2nd defensemen. Thats an organizational problem, not the individual player.

He needs to be playing with a legit number 3 defenseman not some fringe NHLer in Diaz who is scared of his own shadow who is poor defensively and brings nothing offensively for a supposed offensive defenseman.

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10-19-2013, 11:24 PM
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He's always been a stay-at-home d-man. Who are you to make judgements as if you're a professional scout? If he had any higher points he wouldn't be in that category. He led the league in blocked shots last year (a strong criteria for stay-at-homes) had 14 +/- in the year we tanked, and hes a big body presence that can fight and play physical. He's also a pretty good leader like how Don Cherry said he should've been the captain.

Only amateur fans would look at team stats and try to sweep out certain players with low points. Gorges is a lifer in MTL and also our 3rd best d-man (has been that way for a while).

Plus, who in the world would we replace Gorges with? do you think we have someone in the roster or in the prospect pool who is as quick, as big, as charismatic as him? nope, you're just an amateur I understand.

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He's always been a stay-at-home d-man. Who are you to make judgements as if you're a professional scout? If he had any higher points he wouldn't be in that category. He led the league in blocked shots last year (a strong criteria for stay-at-homes) had 14 +/- in the year we tanked, and hes a big body presence that can fight and play physical. He's also a pretty good leader like how Don Cherry said he should've been the captain.

Only amateur fans would look at team stats and try to sweep out certain players with low points. Gorges is a lifer in MTL and also our 3rd best d-man (has been that way for a while).

Plus, who in the world would we replace Gorges with? do you think we have someone in the roster or in the prospect pool who is as quick, as big, as charismatic as him? nope, you're just an amateur I understand.
and you must be a professional scout, with the way you are describing Josh Gorges.

Josh has heart, he's a good leader and unselfish. If you had watched a single game that involved him you would know that he is rather small, not overly physical although he hustles night in night out, and is definitely not a good fighter.

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Gorges is the dman on our team that I dislike the most, he's been very bad whenever separated from Subban, he's just not a great player.

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I see Gorges as an average player who should be playing as a PK specialist and a third pairing D man at 5 on 5. Unfortunately the Habs don't have that luxury to play him like that.

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The real question mark imo is Diaz's offense. The guy can't put the puck to the net and barely carries the puck into the neutral zone. Defensivly, not much complaint, but for a pmd, he hasn't been great

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Gorges is a 4th defenseman playing much of the time as a 2nd defensemen. Thats an organizational problem, not the individual player.

He needs to be playing with a legit number 3 defenseman not some fringe NHLer in Diaz who is scared of his own shadow who is poor defensively and brings nothing offensively for a supposed offensive defenseman.
Agreed, he should be facing weaker opponents, not top liners.
Keep saying we should move him for a bigger better version.
Diaz has been disappointing, can't believe he's used so much.

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The real question mark imo is Diaz's offense. The guy can't put the puck to the net and barely carries the puck into the neutral zone. Defensivly, not much complaint, but for a pmd, he hasn't been great
Does randomly unloading the puck every time an opponent is coming in to hit you make a guy a puck-moving defenceman?

The odd poke-check aside Diaz's defence does not impress me. Forwards skate right through him and he can't clear the crease. Honestly I prefer Bouillon overall. Gorges is okay as a second-pairing guy he does most things just okay.

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I love Josh and I don't think his time is coming. I think the time for his linemate is coming. It is way to glaringly obvious that to completely shutdown and exploit Gorges / Diaz, one must simply dump the puck, and apply the forecheck, rendering Diaz utterly useless.

Maybe when Emelin comes back a duo like Emelin - Gorges will reinvigorate him. He won't have a partner that gives away the blueline or a partner that is weak downlown behind his net.

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Unless Tinordi, Beaulieu, and Pateryn take huge steps in a short period of time and outplay him, then no his time is not coming yet.

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If Gorges was a rookie playing the way he has, we'd be all saying how he isn't ready and will likely be a career AHL'er.

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I see Gorges as an average player who should be playing as a PK specialist and a third pairing D man at 5 on 5. Unfortunately the Habs don't have that luxury to play him like that.
I think you have made an accurate evaluation. There are lots of guys who contribute less to the team than Gorges.

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Unless Tinordi, Beaulieu, and Pateryn take huge steps in a short period of time and outplay him, then no his time is not coming yet.
I second that emotion.

We'll have a very good D, provided all the above develop as well as hoped, but for now Gorges is the only guy aside from Markov providing the veteran leadership. That's not easily replaced.

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