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10-01-2013, 11:45 PM
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I understand the role of Gionta. He's not a top 6 player, people should looking at him as one, but he's still a fantastic possession/defensive player who can chip in the odd goal, especially for his size. Yes he has a big contract, but it's the final year. I think people are wayyyyyyyyyy too hard on him because they think his level of play should match his dollar amount. Outside of his PP, Therrien used Gionta quite well.

As for Desharnais and Briere. Well, it's tricky. I would understand their role if we had one of the two on the team, but both of them together is absolutely redundant. Seriously, Briere wasn't needed as long Desharnais is here.
Coming from a Flyers fan, Briere's not needed on any team at this point in his career.

I understand what you mean though.

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10-01-2013, 11:46 PM
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Gallagher is not even close to Max in regards to team contribution.
Pacioretty hasn't been contributing defensively or physically for quite some time now....

I think he's better than Gallagher but I don't think he's that far off ATM.

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10-01-2013, 11:47 PM
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Hey, WTK just for argument sake can you break down the goaltending on the three Habs goals?

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Coming from a Flyers fan, Briere's not needed on any team at this point in his career.

I understand what you mean though.
Briere outplayed Desharnais tonite...Desharnais was just what was expected of him, to be absolutely ineffective and easily pushed off the puck.

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It's funny because it's not that far away from being a good D-core. Losing Emelin hurt a lot and showed how thin the D was. Even when Emelin comes back, the D improves, but it's still missing a big minute-eater.

The problem is that Diaz-Boullion-Tinordi (for now)-Murray are all bottom pairing D men. Subban is the only real top 3 d-man. Gorges can play a good top 4 complimentary role, but he's out of his league being given huge minutes on the first pairing. Markov is still good, he just needs a solid partner: Emelin.
D stretches to your forwards as well. If my impression of Desharnais from skimming your board is correct, Desharnais and Briere makes the situation worse for you guys as far as the D goes, especially paired up together.

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10-01-2013, 11:48 PM
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Gallagher is not even close to Max in regards to team contribution.
He didn't contribute anything today (even before the injury).
He wasn't contributing anything in the playoffs nor anything after the hotstreak cooled off last season.

I'm not saying he's a scrub or trade him.
I'm just saying Gallagher's play on the ice is very visible because he's not floating. He's hustling.

MaxPac needs to do the same.

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Hey, just for argument sake can you break down the goaltending on the three Habs goals?
OK:

1. Eller was a beast
2. Eller was a beast
3. Eller was a beast


...you're welcome.

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10-01-2013, 11:49 PM
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Habs don'T play before saturday. Precautionnary measure in case somebody gets injured in practice or warmup.

Chances are, somebody's being called up next saturday as wel.
Totally makes sense, thanks

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10-01-2013, 11:50 PM
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Briere outplayed Desharnais tonite.
Friggin Peter Budaj outplayed Desharnais tonight.

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The anti-fighting crew is out in full force on lapresse..it didnt take long.

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10-01-2013, 11:51 PM
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Eller, Gallagher, and Gally looked reallllly solid btw.

Eller looks much better now than what I saw of him in preseason

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Rechlicz is terrible and it's a lil bit classless to think about replacing Parros already.
Not sure what you are talking about but we need someone in the short term to play the same role as Parros.

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10-01-2013, 11:52 PM
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DD is such garbage and Subban's overall TOI is inexcusable. If the ice time for these two don't change within the next month Therrien needs to go as this team won't win ****.

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10-01-2013, 11:53 PM
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For me most disappointing player for me tonight was Plekanec...Habs need more from him.

They won't go far if he's getting outplayed by the likes Tyler Bozak and Nazim Kadri every game (no offense to them btw)

I know most Habs fans think Plekanec is the perfect player...but watch how his refusal to get engaged with Kadri on one of the Leafs goals costs the Habs big time

It's just one game...but I've been saying it for awhile now, he's overrated on this board

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Just a few weeks ago I posted on here that our d was awful and one of the worst d-corps in the east.

I was laughed off the board. All I kept hearing was "2nd in the east hurhurhur"...Well, I ****ing told you guys this defence sucks. I told you. It was obvious since last year this defence sucks.

At least now you all see it too.
I wish i saw your post. I would have agreed with you.

Subban, Tinordi and Emelin are the only D that i would keep going forward.

I love Markov, but he is becoming a defensive liability. I'd keep him as a bottom pairing/PP specialist only if we found a solid number 2 Dman that could eat up upwards of 26min paired with Subban.

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10-01-2013, 11:56 PM
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As if Desharnais signing a four year extension, getting choice pp and es time wasn't enough he's on the pk too now.

All in all not that bad of a game though, rough one for Markov tonight but he should still have a pretty good year.

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10-01-2013, 11:58 PM
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I just don't understand why Therrien put DD on for the last two minutes. All game he was the worst player in the game, and he goes on when we pull the goalie. I just don't understand...

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Just got home, some thoughts:

-Markov and Diaz were brutal (although nice assist to Diaz on the first goal). D corps as a whole looked pretty suspect.

-Eller was a beast, nothing else to say.

-The game wasn't his fault but at no point did I feel confident in Price...he was overplaying everything and fighting the puck all night.

-Team toughness was really impressive. Moen jumping in for Prust was what we needed to see from him. Tinordi wrecked Ashton. Parros was filling the role we needed until that horrific fall. Hopefully he's OK.

-Same for Pacioretty, hope it's nothing serious in his case.

-Desharnais and Briere were pretty invisible. Plekanec a little less so, but all 3 have to be better.

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10-01-2013, 11:59 PM
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As if Desharnais signing a four year extension, getting choice pp and es time wasn't enough he's on the pk too now.

All in all not that bad of a game though, rough one for Markov tonight but he should still have a pretty good year.
The thing is -- he played the best when he was on the PK, though it's probably more revealing about the other parts of his game than about his PK skills.

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I thought Price made some good athletic saves and overall played decently, but as WTK pointed out he didn't play to the level he needs to be at for this team to be consistently competitive. One thing i noticed was that he still has the tendency to take himself out of position a bit on his cross crease slides. I think Waite is working on that with him and hopefully he can get better at that. Still the loss was most definitely not his fault.

Desharnais was our worst player, and while i understand Therrien's rationale for continuing to give the EGG line sheltered minutes, i hope he realizes pretty soon that they are ready for an increased role. All in all we have too many unidimensional small guys in our top 9 and it continues to be an issue. Still, the Habs are a team in transition and it don't expect much to change until some of our younger guys are ready. Just gotta suck it up until then.

Our D was terrible but i think its important to keep in mind just how banged up they are. We continue to struggle with Emelin out of the lineup precisely because he is the type of top 4 D we are missing. Tinordi looked good, and i am VERY excited to see what he's capable of with more confidence. Diaz and Markov was a disaster. Gorges was all over the place but wasn't a liability.

All in all some encouraging things and some of the same issues. Hopefully the coaches saw the same things the fans did.

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10-02-2013, 12:00 AM
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I just don't understand why Therrien put DD on for the last two minutes. All game he was the worst player in the game, and he goes on when we pull the goalie. I just don't understand...
If only we knew the answer to this mystery.

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Markov looked average but Bergevin has tons of time to evaluate his performance until the trade deadline. I really think it's in our best interest to trade him even if he is doing well (or seemingly).

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Just a few weeks ago I posted on here that our d was awful and one of the worst d-corps in the east.

I was laughed off the board. All I kept hearing was "2nd in the east hurhurhur"...Well, I ****ing told you guys this defence sucks. I told you. It was obvious since last year this defence sucks.

At least now you all see it too.
With everyone healthy, our defense is not even close to being the worst in the East. We're not even bottom three in our own division (Florida, Tampa Bay and Buffalo).

Also, I highly doubt you were "laughed off the board" considering it is widely known that our defense is the weakest aspect of our team. But it's hardly fair to make that statement after the first game of the season, with 4 injuries on the back end...

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Markov looked average but Bergevin has tons of time to evaluate his performance until the trade deadline. I really think it's in our best interest to trade him even if he is doing well (or seemingly).
I hope we can get rid of his useless ass too.
I doubt we'd get any takers on DD unless his play improves dramatically.

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He didn't contribute anything today (even before the injury).
He wasn't contributing anything in the playoffs nor anything after the hotstreak cooled off last season.

I'm not saying he's a scrub or trade him.
I'm just saying Gallagher's play on the ice is very visible because he's not floating. He's hustling.

MaxPac needs to do the same.
Max got better in the 3 rd when he just started to skate hard. He can't wait for his line mates to do anything so he needs to be "The Guy" on that line. Lines s/b:

Pac Pleks Briere
Prust Eller Gally
Bourque Galchenyuk Bournival
Moen White Tarnasky

Sadly I see no team taking DD or Gionta off our hands.

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