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10-02-2013, 10:00 PM
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Agenda pushing. He was arguably our most dangerous player, not that it says much.

your funny

im sure that one shift stands out really strong for you... like almost as if it happened multiple times... aside from that one shift he was absolute garbage.

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Rolston should be fined for Power Play Entry Selection...

They need to outlaw that damn drop pass in the neutral zone crap.

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This is where the problem lies. The young guys were young and exciting. The guys that made it bad, Leino/Staff/McCormick/Vanek, were the vets that shouldn't even be on this team. Imagine having 2 other lines like the Grigs, Girgs and Flynn line.
Well we'll be able to fix SOME of that when Larssen is inevitably subbed into the lineup (Hopefully Friday, if Rolston is dedicated to accountability) and Foligno returns in the next week or so. Loved the hustle of the GGF line, and it finally paid off for them. I need to see some high end talent from Grigs at some point though. Not seeing it yet. Too much "Stafford" from him so far.

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On a certain level they were. But Buffalo was soft is other ways, such as Stafford and Ennis attempting to skate through 2-3 Redwings at a time, losing puck battles, dominated at the dot, errant passes, etc. I understand we're young and prone to error, but I sense an underlying apathy in our play. Have guys like Vanek and Stafford already mentally checked out?
There was a lot of stick waving reaching by some tonight and that always seems to be a sign that guys are not skating hard.

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G: Cal Peterson is apparently going to save this franchise.

In all seriousness Hodgson and Vanek are going to put up a lot of points against teams that aren't Detroit.

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G: Cal Peterson is apparently going to save this franchise.

In all seriousness Hodgson and Vanek are going to put up a lot of points against teams that aren't Detroit.
Lmao I laughed at that, such American bias on NBC.

Not Ullmark, not Hackett nor Enroth. NOPE, Cal Peterson folks.

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I thought Grigorenko looked confident out there. Other than his one bungling of a PP play, he seemed in control of the puck and didn't overly defer to his linemates.

I didn't realize he had that quick of a release....when he shoots it, it gets on the goalie quick.


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Kid line
Risto looked solid outside for a few first period jitters
Pysyk looked silky smooth I thought

Meh:
Most everyone else. Outside of Stafford, I didn't think anyone looked BAD....no one just looked good either. Myers had good and bad moments.

Bad:
Stafford.....no backcheck at all on the Jesus Datsyuk goal. Just disinterested.

Ugly:
PP. Powerless play. Wow. Hey guys -- wanna like move some? I have never seen a more stagnant PP. They gave it to the defensemen and then watched them play bombardier.

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10-02-2013, 10:03 PM
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Agenda pushing. He was arguably our most dangerous player, not that it says much.
No No No..Dangerous?? Holy crap...keep trying to saucer a pass to a guy two feet from you.

Want my agenda...I'd move him tomorrow, he is nothing special at all.

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There was a lot of stick waving reaching by some tonight and that always seems to be a sign that guys are not skating hard.
Completely agree. Too much stick waving and drivebys on defense. I saw very little effort from the forwards on defense. Vanek was very guilty of this, along with many others.

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Agenda pushing. He was arguably our most dangerous player, not that it says much.
He was our most dangerous player for exactly one shift.


Otherwise, we didn't have a dangerous player except for a Vanek flash or two and maybe a couple of Grigo's wristers.

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10-02-2013, 10:05 PM
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your funny

im sure that one shift stands out really strong for you... like almost as if it happened multiple times... aside from that one shift he was absolute garbage.
Right, except it was literally the only real pressure all game from any line.

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10-02-2013, 10:06 PM
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I'll skip all the situational BS

G-Weber, Tallinder, Girgs, Grigs, MILLER, Pysyk
B-Vanek, Leino, Hodgson's 2nd half performance(1st was great), Myers
Ugly-Stafford...Stafford


all in all I thought our defense man and goal tending looked solid...forwards were garbage on defense...other than flynn's backcheck idk if i can pick a single instance someone impressed me. Any semi-competent PP unit along with our D and goaltending tonight makes this an interesting game...

furthermore detroit is better and faster than us...hats off to them but what I god awful boring team to play against. Unless Dats is dangling that entire team is a snore-fest no physicality no fighting etc...at least when we lose to Boston or Toronto I leave feeling amused. This whole game felt like slow-mo to me.

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10-02-2013, 10:06 PM
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Yes, Miller was good tonight. The deflection by Samuelsson was a thing of beauty by the Wings and leaving a guy like Dats free in the mid-slot is criminal defensive coverage.
For like the eighth time, Weber got hooked by Ericsson. Hard to step up to the guy cutting in with a stick horizontal to your midsection.

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For like the eighth time, Weber got hooked by Ericsson. Hard to step up to the guy cutting in with a stick horizontal to your midsection.
I thought that was more on Stafford and Hodgson than the d-men. *shrug*

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Umm...to get Foligno in a player needs to be removed for the 23 man roster.
Many thought the reason Girgensons made the team was because Foligno was out and expected that once Foligno was back that Girgensons would be sent down. However, after tonight, so far so good for Zemgus.

We can always send Larsson down, although I think he should be playing over McCormick in some games. It's a waste to have him sit in the press box.

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I thought that was more on Stafford and Hodgson than the d-men. *shrug*
Hodgson kind of let him go and passed him off to the rest of the team. He didn't want any part of Dats.

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Yes, Miller was good tonight. The deflection by Samuelsson was a thing of beauty by the Wings and leaving a guy like Dats free in the mid-slot is criminal defensive coverage.
Live action, I threw a pillow at the TV and shouted "Who the hell was that playing soft defense in front?!?!?!?!?!"

Upon replay, Myers took the body, knocked Samuelsson off balance and STILL he tipped the puck......everyone did everything right there.....was a beauty goal.

Weber wasn't allowed to step up on Dats.......but Stafford could have crashed from the top instead of gliding by

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Hodgson kind of let him go and passed him off to the rest of the team. He didn't want any part of Dats.
Watching it, I thought Stafford flubbed the clear and then he and Hodgson both didn't take a man as though they each thought the other had Dats. I'd like to see more engagement there from either of them.

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Vanek-Hodgson-Foligno
Ennis-Larrson-Ott
Girgs-Grigs-Flynn
Tropp-Porter-Kaleta

Is a group of forwards I could get behind and would have no problem watching some struggles because you know they will be working their butt off.

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Right, except it was literally the only real pressure all game from any line.
Except it wasn't. They didn't have much offensive flow tonight, but the Kid Line did some good things in the Wings zone on more than just the Girgensons' goal. Heck, Vanek managed to crease the pipe on a night when he looked like he was catching up on his sleep. Ennis' one good shift didn't make up for the times repeatedly on the powerplay where he killed opportunity with a lack of execution. He had a bad night.

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Live action, I threw a pillow at the TV and shouted "Who the hell was that playing soft defense in front?!?!?!?!?!"

Upon replay, Myers took the body, knocked Samuelsson off balance and STILL he tipped the puck......everyone did everything right there.....was a beauty goal.

Weber wasn't allowed to step up on Dats.......but Stafford could have crashed from the top instead of gliding by
He did that a lot tonight and that, combined with the penalties (the one he took and the one they gave to Tallinder but it was Stafford's stick making contact on the Wing to take him down) and the soft play on the wall leading to chances against outside of just that goal against. A lot of times, the effort is there and the feet are moving. Tonight, they weren't moving and neither did it seem were many synapses firing.

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Stafford's best play of the game was taking the boarding penalty in the first.

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G: Hockey is back!
Miller
Pysyk
Tallinder
Kid line
They only lost by one to a superior team

B: The powerplay
The nerves in the first game were very evident, I hope they got that out of the way,
but I suspect Friday, being the home opener, will be much the same

U: It's a fact this is one of the youngest team in the league in the middle of a rebuild,
and by most accounts all summer on this very board people were waxing poetic
about suffering and low expectations and 2014 top draft picks and during and after
the very first game of the season the board is in full bag all over them mode. Are
we really talking about firing people one game in? Holy hell this board gets worse
every season.

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