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10-05-2013, 02:49 PM
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Edm-Wpg / Edm/Ott

Can't see this going over well because all fan bases over value their players brutally (me included haha). Please discuss value.

Ottawa gets their true elite young forward, Edmonton fills their holes with quality pieces.

To Ottawa;

Yakupov
2015 2nd rounder

To Edm

Zibanejad
Cowen
2015 1st rounder

If this trade happens would allow Edm to make following trade

To Wpg

Gagner
2014 1st rounder
Smid

To Edm

Ladd

Would leave Edmonton with a near future line-up which in my mind is a contender for a long time (continue to draft best Center available)

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Ladd - Zibby- Hemsky
Perron - Gordon - Joensuu
4th liners

J. Schultz - Cowen
Klefbom - Petry
Ference - Nurse


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10-05-2013, 02:51 PM
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The Ottawa trade doesn't need picks.

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10-05-2013, 02:52 PM
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Can't see this going over well because all fan bases over value their players brutally (me included haha). Please discuss value.

Wpg deals from a position of strength of top 4 d men on the blue line and fills their prospect cupboard with quality player, Edm deals to solidify their blue line for the future.

To Wpg;

2014 1st rounder
Smid
B prospect

To Edm;

Trouba
B center prospect

Other Deal more of a blockbuster.

Ottawa gets their true elite young forward, Edmonton fills their holes with quality pieces.

To Ottawa;

Yakupov
2015 2nd rounder

To Edm

Zibanejad
Cowen
2015 1st rounder
Jets hang up the phone on the first one, and Ottawa politely declines while MacT is hit over the head with a folding chair by Kevin Lowe on the second one.

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10-05-2013, 02:53 PM
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Just don't ask for Trouba. Quantity for quality trades, nothin I see here. If Winnipeg really wanted to stock our cupboards with a quality prospect, they can... just keep Trouba.

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The Ottawa trade doesn't need picks.
I think It does just to even it out, that first rounder is what pushes me to trade Yak otherwise would rather hold onto him.

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10-05-2013, 03:06 PM
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Yakupov does not score in his 1st game , so now he is in multiple proposals.

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Yakupov does not score in his 1st game , so now he is in multiple proposals.
Im a huge Yak fan and would rather him stay with the Oilers, just bouncing some ideas around, that being said would like to see him get the hell off the 3rd line as he is not helping the Oilers as much as he can in that position. Thought Eakins would have loved him as sounds like he has a unreal work ethic. Get Eakins wants to shelter him defensively but common give him Smyth's shift on every offensive face-off.

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Not that the value's not there, but I see about a 0% chance that Winnipeg would trade Ladd.

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10-05-2013, 03:15 PM
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Can't see this going over well because all fan bases over value their players brutally (me included haha). Please discuss value.

Ottawa gets their true elite young forward, Edmonton fills their holes with quality pieces.

To Ottawa;

Yakupov
2015 2nd rounder

To Edm

Zibanejad
Cowen
2015 1st rounder

If this trade happens would allow Edm to make following trade

To Wpg

Gagner
2014 1st rounder
Smid

To Edm

Ladd
I like Ladd but I think that's a huge overpay. Then you consider that Gagner is better than Zib currently so the Oilers downgrade the second line centre, and lose the defensive gains added with Cowen plus they give up a first rounder for Ladd who I think is great, but is now the teams 3rd line left winger. Even with Eakins apparently looking to run with 3 scoring lines this whole plan seems very poorly thought out.

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10-05-2013, 03:15 PM
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Yeah nowhere near close for Ottawa. Not really interested in one dimensional offensive players, we're not that kind of team

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10-05-2013, 03:22 PM
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Yakupov for Bobby Ryan

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10-05-2013, 03:24 PM
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I like Ladd but I think that's a huge overpay. Then you consider that Gagner is better than Zib currently so the Oilers downgrade the second line centre, and lose the defensive gains added with Cowen plus they give up a first rounder for Ladd who I think is great, but is now the teams 3rd line left winger. Even with Eakins apparently looking to run with 3 scoring lines this whole plan seems very poorly thought out.
Agree for now that Gagner is better then Zib but longterm I think Zib will be the better center for sure, maybe not all around player but at playing the position of center. I think Ladd is exactly what the Oilers need and would be the type of player worth a big overpayment, though don't think Wpg trades him.

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Switch Yakupov to Hall or RNH then maybe from a sens perspective but im sorry I am just not sold on Yak.

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Yakupov for Bobby Ryan
c'mon now, I would rather Gagner then Bobby Ryan not because i'm high on Gagner more about how I feel about Ryan.

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c'mon now, I would rather Gagner then Bobby Ryan not because i'm high on Gagner more about how I feel about Ryan.
well how am i supposed to know about your random hate for Ryan

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well how am i supposed to know about your random hate for Ryan
haha fair enough, just seems like he's not great in the dressing room and hasn't done anything to impress me without playing with Getzlaf or Perry.

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To Ottawa;

Yakupov
2015 2nd rounder

To Edm

Zibanejad
Cowen
2015 1st rounder

If this trade happens would allow Edm to make following trade

To Wpg

Gagner
2014 1st rounder
Smid

To Edm

Ladd
I actually think the first one is brutal for Ottawa. Yakupov is horribly one-dimensional and overrated by Oilers fans. Zibanejad will never be as good as him, but him and Cowen will do a lot more to help their team win than Yakupov alone would, nevermind the picks. Could be you're undervaluing Cowen.

Second would never happen. I don't know that it's bad value necessarily (in a bubble, disregarding team needs and Ladd's captaincy) - it's probably close - it just doesn't fit team needs at all. The Jets have Scheifele and Little up the middle, they don't need another second-line center. It'd really mess with all the balance on the roster unless Gagner played LW, but even then the Jets first line (and now second too) has great chemistry.


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Ladd proposal is good value. Winnipeg wouldn't do it, but the value is there. I do however fail to see how David Perron supplants Ladd on the Oilers second line?

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Even if you slot Ladd above Peron (I was thinking Ladd would move into more of a scoring/checking line) it's kind of irrelevant. One of Ladd and Peron are fighting for limited ice time which would be great except the team would then be weaker on C, moving laterally on defense and down a first round pick.

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Wtf?

How many 18 yr olds playing in the NHL are defensively responsible their 1st year??

RNH sure wasn't. Karlsson sure wasn't his 1st year in the NHL.

You guys create assumptions way to quickly...

Yakupov is one of the hardest working forwards we have. Calling him one dimensional is ridiculous. Give it 5 years and then make an educated response...

Cowen was injured last year, Zbad is in the AHL and that 1st would likely be in the 20ish range...

And you are saying the Sens would say no?

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Ottawa gets their true elite young forward
This made me chuckle.

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Wouldn't do the Jets trade. We don't need another center, and while the 1st overall pick is pretty nice I'm not comfortable giving up our leader.

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Im a huge Yak fan and would rather him stay with the Oilers, just bouncing some ideas around, that being said would like to see him get the hell off the 3rd line as he is not helping the Oilers as much as he can in that position. Thought Eakins would have loved him as sounds like he has a unreal work ethic. Get Eakins wants to shelter him defensively but common give him Smyth's shift on every offensive face-off.
A lot of Yakupov proposals floating around was not meant as a flame to your proposal , just find it funny , he is not going anywhere for years.

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This made me chuckle.
You just prove how a hf poster make themselves look bad

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You just prove how a hf poster make themselves look bad
I think you misunderstood. Has nothing to do with Yakopov.

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