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10-03-2013, 02:23 PM
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Urbom's top projection is #5/#6, and that's assuming he ever becomes an everyday NHL player.

Sure, I wish Lou could have extracted a 5th round pick from somebody, but this move is pretty much, *yawn* from my perspective.

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10-03-2013, 02:24 PM
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Has nothing to do with Deboer. This decision comes from the top. Which is not very reassuring. I get what's going on though. Harrold can help this team this year (maybe) and that's the goal. The goal is to avoid the embarrasment of not having a top 5 pick you lost for a player not even on your roster.
What? I'm not blaming waivers on Pete. I don't really care all that much about Urbom. Harrold should not be playing over Fayne. And Gionta should be in the pressbox.

Deboer clearly has his guys. He's in love with those who are fringe NHLers.

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10-03-2013, 02:26 PM
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Urbom's top projection is #5/#6, and that's assuming he ever becomes an everyday NHL player.

Sure, I wish Lou could have extracted a 5th round pick from somebody, but this move is pretty much, *yawn* from my perspective.
Both Hockey's Future and Hockey Prospectus have him as a potential second pairing defensemen.

I don't put too much weight in projections anyway. Urbom could have very well pulled an Adam Henrique his age 22 season. Henrique was projected to be a fourth liner, wasn't he?

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Major major screwup by Lou. Urbom is a guy that will make us reget this pretty badly.

I'm really pissed.

Losing a guy like Tedenby would've felt a lot better.

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A Josefson-Gionta comparison is fine, but it's tough to argue with Olesz. He's not a center and we're extremely deep on the wing now with all of these signings, so where is he going to play? He's not better than Carter or Bernier.

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10-03-2013, 02:32 PM
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I don't really care about Urbom specifically, he's a dime-a-dozen prospect to me, what kills me is that Harrold and Volchenkov still have jobs when they are clearly the weakest links on this hockey team.

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I wonder why Urbom is even going to bother playing

Clearly he's ready for the HOF

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Major major screwup by Lou. Urbom is a guy that will make us reget this pretty badly.

I'm really pissed.

Losing a guy like Tedenby would've felt a lot better.
hahaha SERIOUSLY? I think your tune would be a bit different if it were Alex Johnson and not Alex Urbom.

how will a defensive minded DMan who probably projects to be a #5 at best going to make us regret losing him? come on.

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I don't really care about Urbom specifically, he's a dime-a-dozen prospect to me, what kills me is that Harrold and Volchenkov still have jobs when they are clearly the weakest links on this hockey team.

this I can get down with, for sure. I agree fully.

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10-03-2013, 02:35 PM
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A Josefson-Gionta comparison is fine, but it's tough to argue with Olesz. He's not a center and we're extremely deep on the wing now with all of these signings, so where is he going to play? He's not better than Carter or Bernier.
I think for their career's Olesz is very comparable to Carter or Bernier.

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hahaha SERIOUSLY? I think your tune would be a bit different if it were Alex Johnson and not Alex Urbom.

how will a defensive minded DMan who probably projects to be a #5 at best going to make us regret losing him? come on.
Tedenby is Swede as well, isn't he?

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10-03-2013, 02:37 PM
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Major major screwup by Lou. Urbom is a guy that will make us reget this pretty badly.

I'm really pissed.

Losing a guy like Tedenby would've felt a lot better.
Organizational depth at their respective positions makes Urbom the easier to accept loss.

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10-03-2013, 02:39 PM
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Organizational depth at their respective positions makes Urbom the easier to accept loss.
That's not a good reason to not be mad.

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Tedenby is Swede as well, isn't he?
With Tallinder, Moose, Urbom gone and Tedenby on the way, it seems the whole Swedish Empire we were building is crumbling.

At least there's Larsson and Yayo.

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10-03-2013, 02:43 PM
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As a Caps fan, I'll say that reports on Urbom make him the type of player that the Caps are in need of on the blueline. Prefaced with the fact I've never seen him play, Caps have a need for a steady, defensive-minded blueliner that has enough mobility + size in their own end to make things difficult for the opposition. Right now, Erskine is on the 2nd D pairing and while he provides a physical presence, he's shown time and again that his lack of footspeed keeps him from being able to shutdown anyone with decent quickness/agility.

Other than that, Mike Green and John Carlson are decidedly offensive dmen, with Alzner really being the only real "shutdown" dman. The 3rd pairing has been a revolving door with a bunch of guys that play hard, but none that are notable for their defensive abilities.

Urbom might not project to be more than a #5/#6, but that's what the Caps need. If that turns out to be accurate, I wouldn't say it's the end of the world that New Jersey lost him.

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With Tallinder, Moose, Urbom gone and Tedenby on the way, it seems the whole Swedish Empire we were building is crumbling.

At least there's Larsson and Yayo.
Was more so responding to ZBC implying that DevilsSwede was biased because Urbom is Swedish. When, in actuality, Tedenby is also swedish.

So his preference is actually not rooted in any national bias at all...

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10-03-2013, 02:48 PM
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I don't really care about Urbom specifically, he's a dime-a-dozen prospect to me, what kills me is that Harrold and Volchenkov still have jobs when they are clearly the weakest links on this hockey team.
I'm on the same page here

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As a Caps fan, I'll say that reports on Urbom make him the type of player that the Caps are in need of on the blueline. Prefaced with the fact I've never seen him play, Caps have a need for a steady, defensive-minded blueliner that has enough mobility + size in their own end to make things difficult for the opposition. Right now, Erskine is on the 2nd D pairing and while he provides a physical presence, he's shown time and again that his lack of footspeed keeps him from being able to shutdown anyone with decent quickness/agility.

Other than that, Mike Green and John Carlson are decidedly offensive dmen, with Alzner really being the only real "shutdown" dman. The 3rd pairing has been a revolving door with a bunch of guys that play hard, but none that are notable for their defensive abilities.

Urbom might not project to be more than a #5/#6, but that's what the Caps need. If that turns out to be accurate, I wouldn't say it's the end of the world that New Jersey lost him.
He is VERY, VERY, VERY overrated by our board

You'd think he was the second coming

He has a lot to work on defensively, notably how he plays guys coming in on him over the blue line, has gotten beat fairly easily and as a result we've seen his poor pivoting skills when going to play catchup - he's shown he's not afraid to step up on offense, but is overall an ok defensemen

I'd love for him to prove me wrong, however I just don't see anything special coming out of him

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I want to see some of these posters apologize if Urbom becomes a good player. This board needs some accountability. Idk if he'll be anything, but for those that are sure he'll be nothing, can I have some lotto numbers?

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He is VERY, VERY, VERY overrated by our board

You'd think he was the second coming

He has a lot to work on defensively, notably how he plays guys coming in on him over the blue line, has gotten beat fairly easily and as a result we've seen his poor pivoting skills when going to play catchup - he's shown he's not afraid to step up on offense, but is overall an ok defensemen

I'd love for him to prove me wrong, however I just don't see anything special coming out of him
Well it depends what you consider overrated. Again, if people stating "it's too soon to make an assessment on Urbom" is considered overrating him - then yea. Overrated.

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I want to see some of these posters apologize if Urbom becomes a good player. This board needs some accountability. Idk if he'll be anything, but for those that are sure he'll be nothing, can I have some lotto numbers?
It's the internet. Accountability is a non-existent concept 99.9% of the time. If 5 years from now Urbom is in the Caps second pairing having success, those who are burying him at age 22 won't hold themselves accountable for anything.

All will be forgotten.

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I want to see some of these posters apologize if Urbom becomes a good player. This board needs some accountability. Idk if he'll be anything, but for those that are sure he'll be nothing, can I have some lotto numbers?
That depends on your definition of good. If he becomes what Mark Fraser is now then that's no skin off my nose but other people will cite it as proof positive we gave up on some great defenseman.

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That's not a good reason to not be mad.
My post was in response to "would rather have lost Ted's".


I am not a fan of giving away assets. Especially those that are young big and mobil.

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It's the internet. Accountability is a non-existent concept 99.9% of the time. If 5 years from now Urbom is in the Caps second pairing having success, those who are burying him at age 22 won't hold themselves accountable for anything.

All will be forgotten.
Lol why should anyone have to be accountable for voicing their opinion in an online forum? That's taking things a bit too seriously.

As are the people who don't realize the reality that a) something had to budge with the Devils' personnel and b) Urbom isn't that valuable.

Mark Fraser stinks, by the way.

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That depends on your definition of good. If he becomes what Mark Fraser is now then that's no skin off my nose but other people will cite it as proof positive we gave up on some great defenseman.
What if he is Mark Fayne good?

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