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09-24-2013, 09:47 AM
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Just clicked in for me how amazing it is that we are about to start the first full season of hockey since October 2011

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Froods,

There is more to playing with Sid than speed, speed, speed. As long as you have one of Duper or Kunitz with Sid, then you have enough speed. Bennett brings an element that the line could really use (skill, poise, sick mitts, playmaking ability, etc). Duper and Kunitz are great at what they do, but neither can take any attention away from Sid. Bennett can and will.

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How does Kunitz's style of play not take attention away from Sid?

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How does Kunitz's style of play not take attention away from Sid?
Because when he has the puck, the other team doesn't really have to key on him. He's a straight line player. He can finish and has decent hands, but he's not going to beat you one on one. So cover Sid and you're fine. A great example was the Boston series. Sid's line did absolutely nothing until Sid lost hit helmet and went ape **** crazy driving through players. Every time Sid had the puck there were 2+ Boston defenders surrounding him. They forced Kunitz and Duper to beat them. So Sid had to dish off to them and neither could do a damn thing. Put Bennett with Sid and that whole dynamic changes.

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It's about what Kunitz does without the puck.

Sid controls the play/puck on the ice no matter what winger in the world you put beside him.

Maybe having Kunitz and Bennett with Sid would be most ideal, but Dupuis is a better fit on Sid's line than on Geno + Neal considering Neal is the permanent off-hand RW on that line.

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It's about what Kunitz does without the puck.

Sid controls the play/puck on the ice no matter what winger in the world you put beside him.
Okay so tell me, what did Kunitz do without the puck to draw defenders away from Sid in the Boston series?

I have no problem with Kunitz with Sid. I have a problem with Dupuis and Kunitz with Sid.

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Okay so tell me, what did Kunitz do without the puck to draw defenders away from Sid in the Boston series?

I have no problem with Kunitz with Sid. I have a problem with Dupuis and Kunitz with Sid.
Boston is a bad matchup for us, and compile that with Fleury's play, we never had a chance. Putting Bennett with Sid would not have changed the outcome of that series.

Giving up bad goals killed our momentum and fueled Boston's. And against a big, strong team, you do not want them to have the momentum, because they will literally run you over.

If you were to put Bennett and Kunitz with Sid then, what would your whole line-up look like?

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Okay so tell me, what did Kunitz do without the puck to draw defenders away from Sid in the Boston series?

I have no problem with Kunitz with Sid. I have a problem with Dupuis and Kunitz with Sid.
This.

I wish Bylsma would start the season with these as the top 3 lines

Kunitz - Crosby - Bennett
Jokinen - Malkin - Neal
Kobasew - Sutter - Dupuis

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If you were to put Bennett and Kunitz with Sid then, what would your whole line-up look like?
I'm not him, but the line-up against Boston should be easy to figure out in hindsight in 2 seconds:

Kunitz-Crosby-Iginla
Bennett-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Sutter-Dupuis
Morrow-Jokinen-Adams

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Boston is a bad matchup for us, and compile that with Fleury's play, we never had a chance. Putting Bennett with Sid would not have changed the outcome of that series.

Giving up bad goals killed our momentum and fueled Boston's. And against a big, strong team, you do not want them to have the momentum, because they will literally run you over.

If you were to put Bennett and Kunitz with Sid then, what would your whole line-up look like?
Fleury didn't play against Boston except during game 2 when it was already getting out of hand. Goaltending was far down the list of reasons we lost that series. Here's my lineup if you go Kunitz-Sid-Bennett:

Kunitz-Sid-Bennett
Jokinen-Malkin-Neal
Kobasew-Sutter-Dupuis (Not sure if Kokasew plays LW but Duper can do either)
Jeffrey-Vitale-Sill
D'Agostini

The 4th line was kind of a joke because I know it will be Glass-Vitale-Adams. I just think we would be better at hockey with my 4th line.

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This.

I wish Bylsma would start the season with these as the top 3 lines

Kunitz - Crosby - Bennett
Jokinen - Malkin - Neal
Kobasew - Sutter - Dupuis
I don't mind this, actually. I don't know how effective Kobasew is as a LW 3rd liner, but besides that.

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I'm not him, but the line-up against Boston should be easy to figure out in hindsight in 2 seconds:

Kunitz-Crosby-Iginla
Bennett-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Sutter-Dupuis
Morrow-Jokinen-Adams
And yes this. The lineup is 8 bazillion times better than the one we played. I would have taken Adams out for Vitale or Kennedy because that 4th line is slow. But that's just me being picky.

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You can jumble up the lines however you want. We were not beating Boston. Until Crosby, Geno, and Letang mature And can brush things off, this is our fate. That is it.

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You can jumble up the lines however you want. We were not beating Boston. Until Crosby, Geno, and Letang mature And can brush things off, this is our fate. That is it.
Well that I can agree with but it's still the coaches job to put the right players in the right places. Dan sucks at doing that.

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Every week during the season he has his post-workout Bob Evans breakfast with a protein shake he sneaks in under his sweatshirt.

You may think this is OT, but based on the quality of this camp and pre-season I thinking talking about greasy breakfast food is almost preferable to Rossisms, Bylsma quotes and elements of a lineup that is made to make us suffer. Glass and Adams is going to happen... I know it, you know it... we all know it.

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We had a chance to win Game 2. Fleury messed up big time.

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Just clicked in for me how amazing it is that we are about to start the first full season of hockey since October 2011
We lost a few months of hockey last year and seeing the contracts given out this summer I'm not even sure why they had the lockout

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I don't exactly get it what you are trying to convey with this, but Dupuis does not have the toolbox of a self-operating offensive player. He is fast, can buzz around and has the hands to finish, but those abilities take you only so far when Crosby is shut down. As the 4th line will be glasses and adamses, effectively wasting any offensive upside for whoever plays as the third wheel, the juggling has to happen on the other three lines. Dupuis is a no-go for 2nd because he does not find any chemistry with Malkin, so the only logical location for him outside top line is 3rd, where he could do more damage while seeing less minutes agains opponents' shutdown lines.

Point being, there are better options to have a look at for Kid Crosby's right wing than Duper. Beau Bennett would have been a fantastic starting point for such ventures.

Kunitz-Crosby-Bennett
Jokinen-Malkin-Neal
Kobasew-Sutter-Dupuis
Zolnierczyk-Vitale-Adams

Problems solved.
I'm on your side, trust me. I was laughing at the notion that Bylsma would ever do it.

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I'm on your side, trust me. I was laughing at the notion that Bylsma would ever do it.
Swap Adams with Jeffrey and move Vitale to RW and call it a day.

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https://twitter.com/pgshelly/status/382519340248997889

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It wouldn't be a Penguins season without injuries to key players. Might as well get it started early

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Well that sure doesn't sound promising.

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I'm sure it's good news.

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