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10-04-2013, 03:34 PM
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Philly? Who would they offer up?

I thought that Philly needed defensive prospects as well. I always hear their fan base complaining about how Homer never drafts defensemen.

With our situation and glut of quality defensemen we seem to be the best fit.
because it's Homer, he wants EVERYONE! he does not care much about D anyway.

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10-04-2013, 03:34 PM
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Knowing Bylsma....

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Which really takes the shine off of it.

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10-04-2013, 03:36 PM
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Keep in mind, this is the same Ducks front office that gave us a 5th rounder for Lovejoy... just sayin'.

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10-04-2013, 03:38 PM
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Keep in mind, this is the same Ducks front office that gave us a 5th rounder for Lovejoy... just sayin'.
It's also the franchise that gave the Pens Kunitz and Tangradi for Whitney.

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I don't see how a trade involving Despres would make sense with the current roster situation. We're at the roster limit, and he's not even on the active roster. So at least one player on the current roster has to be leaving as well.

Also, once D'ags comes off LTIR we're at 14 active forwards. Therefore if we're trading for a forward, another one has to be leaving.

I'd even be okay with something like Nisky + Jeffrey for Cogliano + 5th. That would clear a little over 500k in space.

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It really depends what the Ducks are looking for.

A bigger tougher D-Man who logs minutes. No way we're moving Orpik or Scuderi.

They need someone to keep thier blueline in shape til the injuries go away. Niskanen is thier guy.

A younger puck mover that has potential. Despres might fit the bill.

Forgot to add, i like Bonino as well.

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10-04-2013, 03:43 PM
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If they move Des it has to be for one of Etem or KP.

IMO, they should be able to get Holland or DSP for Nisky.

I'd rather move Nisky and see what we have in Des. Plus it will greatly increase his value if he plays a full year in the NHL.

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10-04-2013, 03:43 PM
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Maybe they'll take Glass and convert him to D cuz Lord knows he sucks at forward.

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I don't want to give Despres up. Send Nisky and make it relatively cheap.
Do it, Cole. Despres is never going to play in Pittsburgh. Might as well get someone else for him. Since it's a trade, maybe Bylsma will feel compelled to play whomever the Pens acquire.

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It really depends what the Ducks are looking for.

A bigger tougher D-Man who logs minutes. No way we're moving Orpik or Scuderi.

They need someone to keep thier blueline in shape til the injuries go away. Niskanen is thier guy.

A younger puck mover that has potential. Despres might fit the bill.

Forgot to add, i like Bonino as well.
Anaheim is looking for a young defenseman. No idea how you come up with those two guys.

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Keep in mind, this is the same Ducks front office that gave us a 5th rounder for Lovejoy... just sayin'.
And Lovejoy has played beyond that value since going to Anaheim.

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10-04-2013, 03:46 PM
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I love KP, but the Pens need Despres' skill and his size as well.

It's a moot point I feel anyway because like I said above, the Ducks need a proven guy now to step in while their injured guys are on the mend.

Just shipping out Nisky and making room for Despres, while clearing cap space is a big win in my books.
We'll see what they're going after. The media says young defender. But I can certainly understand them wanting someone more proven. At the same time, this is a team that is icing Lovejoy on their 2nd pairing. I think Despres can help them quite a bit.

In terms of our situation. It hurt losing Gogo too. But this team could still use longterm upgrades up front. Nisky is a great #5. Keep him this year and use your more valuable asset to solidify things at forward.

KP, Beau, Neal is a sick winger core.

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And Lovejoy has played beyond that value since going to Anaheim.
So maybe Pens fans should be wary of shipping off Elmer bag o' donuts Despres, their new shiny scapegoat behind Gladams™?

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10-04-2013, 03:49 PM
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I'd rather get a good young forward then a draft pick. I could see the Ducks being interested in Despres. Palmieri, Etem or Silfverberg any of them I know were going to have to add

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So maybe Pens fans should be wary of shipping off Elmer bag o' donuts Despres, their new shiny scapegoat behind Gladams™?
I am certainly not scapegoating Despres. I LOVE HIM. I would marry him. I want him in the NHL playing 15-20 minutes a game. But if the team is not going to do that, get an asset they'll use. You can't draft all of these plays and ruin their trade value.

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Do it, Cole. Despres is never going to play in Pittsburgh. Might as well get someone else for him. Since it's a trade, maybe Bylsma will feel compelled to play whomever the Pens acquire.
He will play him out of position or not at all.

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I am certainly not scapegoating Despres. I LOVE HIM. I would marry him. I want him in the NHL playing 15-20 minutes a game. But if the team is not going to do that, get an asset they'll use. You can't draft all of these plays and ruin their trade value.
Bylsma sees your challenge and will make you regret it. In and out of the lineup, wrong position, a poor line and low minutes in the bottom 6. Oh, and getting benched a lot.

I'm not sure that Despres is even what the Ducks are really after right now. Also, our cap situation.

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I'd expect them to get a Devante Smith-Pelly before a Palmeri, Rackell, etc. Young guy with skill would disrupt top-6 chemistry and there's no opening on the 4th-line to break a young player in.

Not sure if I'm joking or not and that's the fun part.

Has DSP successfully translated his physicality to the pro game? If so, he'd be a good fit and realistic addition where this team has needs. Would give 4th-line some size and skill and young enough to develop into more over the years.

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Anaheim is looking for a young defenseman. No idea how you come up with those two guys.
Just heard "tough D-Men who can play big minutes". Ours are old. You're right.
Forgot the young part. Brain fart. My apologies.

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10-04-2013, 04:09 PM
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I'd be fine trading either of Despres or Niskanen. Niskanen we're probably better off trading now since he's UFA after the season and likely won't be back.

I'd trade Despres if the return were good enough though. We have the depth. Maatta looks damn good, Dumoulin and Harrington are waiting in the wings in the AHL and Pouliot has a bright future here too.

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We'll see what they're going after. The media says young defender. But I can certainly understand them wanting someone more proven. At the same time, this is a team that is icing Lovejoy on their 2nd pairing. I think Despres can help them quite a bit.

In terms of our situation. It hurt losing Gogo too. But this team could still use longterm upgrades up front. Nisky is a great #5. Keep him this year and use your more valuable asset to solidify things at forward.

KP, Beau, Neal is a sick winger core.
I think LeBrun said young guy, but Dreger didn't...

They have some good young guys and I don't see a big need for anything but a stop gap guy, but I'm not Murray.

If they move Despres for KP, that will take me awhile to digest. Not saying I'll hate it, but Letang, Maatta, DP and Harrington aren't really big guys. As for size... You have Dumoulin and Bort left, along with my personal fav, Ruopp, who is a big kid already...

I just highly value big, skilled blueliners like Despres because they are incredibly rare.

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I saw Dreger this morning on NHL Network talking about this but forgot to post it. I think we have a very good chance of being the trading partner given our past history and assets / needs. Philly needs to rebuild their D more than they need forwards, not really sure why they'd be in this discussion.


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To :

Simon Despres

To :

Kyle Palmieri

Yes? No?
Yes. I think I'd be OK with that, however they might be looking for someone more established. Orpik possibly.


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It really depends what the Ducks are looking for.

A bigger tougher D-Man who logs minutes. No way we're moving Orpik or Scuderi.

They need someone to keep thier blueline in shape til the injuries go away. Niskanen is thier guy.

A younger puck mover that has potential. Despres might fit the bill.

Forgot to add, i like Bonino as well.
Then we'd have two guys with the nickname Boner. Tough to beat that.

But seriously what they need is someone with size and decent skill. They're already loaded with skilled but soft players, so Niskanen does not solve their problem at all. THey need someone more like Orpik, Bort (not a good idea IMO -- for us) or Despres (who has an edge when he needs one).

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I'd be okay with trading Orpik.

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I don't like it. I'm big on Despres still and I'm comfortable with our winger situation as it is.

Sooner or later we'll need replacements for Kunitz and Dupuis but we'll worry about that when the time comes. I personally wouldn't give up Despres for KP, although he certainly is an intriguing young player.
I have this feeling that Dumoulin could pass Despres when the AHL season starts, maybe even Harrington. I like Simon as well and I think he will be a solid guy, but Olli out played him and is in better shape than Simon is and he's still a teenager. Despres has a long way to go still, if you can get a stud winger from the Ducks, you look at what you have and maybe say it's worth it.

I mean realistically, you don't trade a kid like Pouliot because you don't have another defenseman like him in the prospect pool, but Despres...he doesn't scream "unique" out of the bunch as much as DP does. I think Olli ends up being a better version of Simon and Dumoulin is very close to being a regular soon.

Ducks have some intriguing forward prospects, but for all we know, Niskanen could be the guy they want, a guy that can play 20mins a night, their defense is pretty sad, outside of Francois Beauchemin, it's a bunch of meh's that the Ducks need better partners for. Nisky could realistically be their 2nd best defenseman out of their current bunch.

Think real hard about that.

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I think they wanted a youngish defenseman that can play right now, Orpik is probably not that guy at 33yrs old lol.

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