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10-06-2013, 05:29 PM
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Clowe is great in the shootout, it was the right choice. No Zach and Kovy has killed our shootout ability. Marty gave us every chance to win that.

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I'm surprised Ryder is that bad in shootouts. You'd think a guy with his shot would be more effective.

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10-06-2013, 05:33 PM
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I'm surprised Ryder is that bad in shootouts. You'd think a guy with his shot would be more effective.
The problem is he doesn't use his greatest asset.

Kovy preferred to deke but would occasionally shoot just to keep the goalies honest.

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10-06-2013, 05:40 PM
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The entire coaching staff is costing the Devils especially Stevens if he controls the defense by himself without DeBoer. If DeBoer is involved then shame on DeBoer his time is up.
I think the reason they play Volch so much is because they don't want to admit they FUBAR'ed by giving him that contract.

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10-06-2013, 05:43 PM
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Ryder scored earlier so hard to fault Pete there.

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I'm surprised Ryder is that bad in shootouts. You'd think a guy with his shot would be more effective.
One of the problems though with guessing who is and isnt good at shootouts is that the N's are so low that that data can be really skewed just by chance and dumb luck. I dont think most hockey fans think about that.

Look at Kovalchuk. He was literally on of the WORST shootout shooters in the history of the shootout, then he went on an absolute tear.

I suspect there are many guys with great, and many guys with poor, lifetime shootout statistics that would completely reverse to poor or great if they had 210 lifetime attempts rather than 21 lifetime attempts.

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10-06-2013, 06:06 PM
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One of the problems though with guessing who is and isnt good at shootouts is that the N's are so low that that data can be really skewed just by chance and dumb luck. I dont think most hockey fans think about that.

Look at Kovalchuk. He was literally on of the WORST shootout shooters in the history of the shootout, then he went on an absolute tear.

I suspect there are many guys with great, and many guys with poor, lifetime shootout statistics that would completely reverse to poor or great if they had 210 lifetime attempts rather than 21 lifetime attempts.
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Does Pete DeBoer have ANY IDEA of his own players lifetime shootout stats?
So DeBoer is a dumb ass for picking Jagr because of his low career shootout stats, yet those stats don't hold much weight because of the sample size?

Or do you just like making excuses to trash the coach. I think you just like making excuses to trash the coach.

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10-06-2013, 06:14 PM
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The comical part is for everyone complaining about 'our' shootout choices Capuano actually made the more questionable shootout decisions - leaving Moulson till sixth in the rotation (8-15 after his goal last night) and having Kyle Okposo (2-15) go a few before that. And not even giving Grabner an attempt though for some reason Grabner's never taken a shootout attempt before.

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10-06-2013, 06:23 PM
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If I'm Pete next time, I'm going Elias-Brunner-Clowe-Henrique as my first 4. I like having Patty in the top 2 and Brunner definitely has some skill to be a crafty 2nd option. Clowe is deceptive too.

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If I'm Pete next time, I'm going Elias-Brunner-Clowe-Henrique as my first 4. I like having Patty in the top 2 and Brunner definitely has some skill to be a crafty 2nd option. Clowe is deceptive too.
If I'm Pete next time, I play Fayne and bench Volch.


But I'm not so let's have some more Kremlin Kone....

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10-06-2013, 06:34 PM
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I'm not complaining I honestly don't give 2 ****s about the gimmick. It just seems like Henrique should be going in the shootout, he's one of our most skilled players. Are we really citing a 6 attempt sample size? Wow.

And who is saying Larsson is a bust? Stop making posters look like they're crazy when there are clearly legitimate concerns. He doesn't look a single bit better than he did day one of his rookie year. That's not concerning? He's in no way a lock for a number 1 dman.

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10-06-2013, 06:39 PM
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I'm not complaining I honestly don't give 2 ****s about the gimmick. It just seems like Henrique should be going in the shootout, he's one of our most skilled players. Are we really citing a 6 attempt sample size? Wow.

And who is saying Larsson is a bust? Stop making posters look like they're crazy when there are clearly legitimate concerns. He doesn't look a single bit better than he did day one of his rookie year. That's not concerning? He's in no way a lock for a number 1 dman.
I'd like to think Pete sees Henrique do shootouts in practice, when they do practice it anyway. Obviously more's going to go into it than six attempts but it's not as if Henrique's had some great scoring touch overall since the spring of '12 either.

Plus it's nitpicking when you're debating the #5 and #6 guys in a shootout, when your top four don't score anyway - and only one goal from the top four gets us a shootout win.

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10-06-2013, 06:45 PM
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I'd like to think Pete sees Henrique do shootouts in practice, when they do practice it anyway. Obviously more's going to go into it than six attempts but it's not as if Henrique's had some great scoring touch overall since the spring of '12 either.

Plus it's nitpicking when you're debating the #5 and #6 guys in a shootout, when your top four don't score anyway - and only one goal from the top four gets us a shootout win.
This is very true, numbers said the guys Pete used have had prior success. What can you do when a guy like Elias is not potting a shootout goal? Can't blame it on Marty either because he kept it 0 until the 5th shooter, it should never get to that point. One of them needed to lift the puck and none of them did. Ya we need to be able to win shootouts, but still its the skills gimmick, there is only so much you can do.

We clean up our game we should and will win more of these in regulation or OT.

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excited for tomorrows game.. its a late one 930.. but cant wait hopefully to see the boys take a full win in regulation. .. can someone make a GDT for it already so theres something new to read around here!

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10-07-2013, 12:10 AM
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The comical part is for everyone complaining about 'our' shootout choices Capuano actually made the more questionable shootout decisions - leaving Moulson till sixth in the rotation (8-15 after his goal last night) and having Kyle Okposo (2-15) go a few before that. And not even giving Grabner an attempt though for some reason Grabner's never taken a shootout attempt before.
That's because Grabner gets a million breakaways but he's not that great at burying them. He'd probably be a perennial threat for the Rocket Richard if he was.

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10-07-2013, 12:28 AM
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Henrique is not good in the shootout at all. I believe he's 1 for 6. I remember him being like 0 for 4 in the AHL last year too. I had no problem with him not being in the other night. Maybe he should have been in over Jagr and Ryder, but no one else. Zajac is better in the shootout than Henrique. So were most of the guys who went on Friday night.

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