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10-07-2013, 03:08 PM
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Ya, this is not true zeke.

He played solid in his two games.
yeah, he actually wasn't half bad in the first two games this year, that's true.

but that's two games. and just wait until all the players get up to regular speed.

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10-07-2013, 03:09 PM
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If Fraser is soooo bad as you indicate and keeps us hemmed in our own zone..

WHY IS HIS +/- by far the best on the team?

Also i bet if you asked Reimer he would say he loves him and give you a smack in the head
never mention +/- ever again.

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10-07-2013, 03:10 PM
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yeah, he actually wasn't half bad in the first two games this year, that's true.

but that's two games. and just wait until all the players get up to regular speed.
What about last year though?

He had a couple rough games in the playoffs, but otherwise you couldn't have asked for more from him.

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10-07-2013, 03:11 PM
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I disagree with that, Ranger hasn't done anything to show he's worthy of a spot, and Rielly while the kid had one good game nothing has been decided yet, Nonis could just as easily send him back to the WHL (hope not though). Fraser by no means is 100% not coming back this season.
I'll give you that - if Ranger continues to be inconsistent, then Fraser has a chance to get back in there.

But I think ranger will be just fine after a month or so.

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10-07-2013, 03:13 PM
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What about last year though?

He had a couple rough games in the playoffs, but otherwise you couldn't have asked for more from him.
well that's the thing - I like playing players that I can ask for more from.

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10-07-2013, 03:14 PM
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yeah, he actually wasn't half bad in the first two games this year, that's true.

but that's two games. and just wait until all the players get up to regular speed.
Fraser is a solid stay home defenceman that brings that intimidation factor. Clears the crease, blocks shots, plays on the PK, protects his teammates and has a decent first pass to clear the zone. He is also our toughest guy that can play solid min along side clarkson.

I mean what else do you want from a 6th defenceman? I have a hard time understanding that you like ranger over fraser at this point.

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10-07-2013, 03:15 PM
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Just take a step back and think about what you guys are saying.

You would rather play a career AHLer, who can't skate or play the puck, instead of one of the best prospects in the world.

It's insane.

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10-07-2013, 03:17 PM
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I mean what else do you want from a 6th defenceman?
I'd rather have 6 top-4 quality defensemen, than force a "#6 dman" in there just because.

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10-07-2013, 03:25 PM
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I don't think anyone should be using time out of the NHL as an excuse for Ranger.

He played the entire season in the AHL last year.

Just because a player plays top minutes 5 years ago on a crappy defensive team doesn't mean he's a top defender on a team that expects to be a contender.

I've read more excuses for him and more forgiveness than I have for a 21 year old playing his first games on the smaller ice.

It's comical.

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Just take a step back and think about what you guys are saying.

You would rather play a career AHLer, who can't skate or play the puck, instead of one of the best prospects in the world.

It's insane.
I hope you don't think I and the other posters sticking up for Fraser are wanting Reilly over Fraser.

I'm just defending comments that are not necessarily true.

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well that's the thing - I like playing players that I can ask for more from.
You gonna ask Rielly to block shots, clear the front of the net, kill penalties and drop the gloves?

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Just take a step back and think about what you guys are saying.

You would rather play a career AHLer, who can't skate or play the puck, instead of one of the best prospects in the world.

It's insane.
I'm not saying that. WTF are you talking about? I just think Fraser is a quality bottom pairing defenceman. That's it.

Why would you even compare them? They play completely different roles so no coach would ever decide between the two.

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10-07-2013, 03:32 PM
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Cant compare the two. In terms of talent, ofcourse its reilly. But reilly doesnt bring half the stuff that mark fraser brings.

I love mark frasers game and think he is absolutely perfect as the 6th defenseman on this team. Dude is a beast. Wheres all the people in the offeseason that said this guy is easily replaceable, and useless, cant play for ****? Oh yeah i also remember people saying he was useless because he has a metal plate in his forehead and cant fight. Right cuz fighting was the only thing he brought correct?

Nowonder carlyle loves this guy so much. Dude is great at what he does
Rielly does not bring half the stuff that Fraser brings?

No you are right.....he is a vastly superior skater.
He has better on ice vision.
He thinks the game better.
He can join the rush in two strides.
He passes the puck better by a large margin.
He is positionally better.

He is vastly inferior as a fighter.
He is not as physical as Fraser.

There really is no comparisons....Rielly is vastly superior as a hockey player.

With us carrying 6 D in a game, we do not need nor want him to fight, as this leaves us short handed for a half a period or longer.

This thread is really silly as we are comparing vastly different players....

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10-07-2013, 03:32 PM
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I'd rather have 6 top-4 quality defensemen, than force a "#6 dman" in there just because.
You want all offensive minded D? I think you would want someone who can actually play defense as well other than gunnar. At the moment, ranger, gardiner and franson last game couldnt play defense for ****. G

I feel like your forgetting about the little things in hockey that fraser brings. Are you gonna like it when teams crash the net and bump thr galie and score because our team was to soft to clear aybody from near the crease?

I like reilly man. I want him to play as much as you. But not in the expense of fraser. I too want a reilly-fraser matchup

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You gonna ask Rielly to block shots,
yes.

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clear the front of the net,
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kill penalties
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and drop the gloves?
holy crap, we already have way too many fighters. enough already.

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Rielly does not bring half the stuff that Fraser brings?

No you are right.....he is a vastly superior skater.
He has better on ice vision.
He thinks the game better.
He can join the rush in two strides.
He passes the puck better by a large margin.
He is positionally better.

He is vastly inferior as a fighter.
He is not as physical as Fraser.

There really is no comparisons....Rielly is vastly superior as a hockey player.

With us carrying 6 D in a game, we do not need nor want him to fight, as this leaves us short handed for a half a period or longer.

This thread is really silly as we are comparing vastly different players....
Umm thats exactly what i said. Reilly is a much superior to fraser in talent no question. They are two vastly diffrent players. I dont kno why we are comparing these two. If we compare reilly, it should be with gardiner

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I'm not saying that. WTF are you talking about? I just think Fraser is a quality bottom pairing defenceman. That's it.
He is a serviceable #6/7 dman. Nothing more.

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He is a serviceable #6/7 dman. Nothing more.
I could say the same about Ranger too

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You want all offensive minded D?
all who can skate would be a start.

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I think you would want someone who can actually play defense as well other than gunnar. At the moment, ranger, gardiner and franson last game couldnt play defense for ****. G

I feel like your forgetting about the little things in hockey that fraser brings. Are you gonna like it when teams crash the net and bump thr galie and score because our team was to soft to clear aybody from near the crease?
getting to pucks first, and being able to move the puck out of danger quickly, and into the attack effectively, is much, much more important to team defense than being able to hit people.

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I like reilly man. I want him to play as much as you. But not in the expense of fraser.
see, this is insane.

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yes.



yes.



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holy crap, we already have way too many fighters. enough already.
Your think reilly can clear the crease and kill penalties? Yah good luck with that.

And fraser is not another goon forward who can just fight. Our D is considerably soft without him.

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I could say the same about Ranger too
possibly.

I think he was already showing improvement as last game wore on, and I think the glaring mistakes will stop soon enough.

but its not impossible that he can't hack it anymore.

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Umm thats exactly what i said. Reilly is a much superior to fraser in talent no question. They are two vastly diffrent players. I dont kno why we are comparing these two. If we compare reilly, it should be with gardiner
Sorry that is not what you said "But reilly doesnt bring half the stuff that mark fraser brings.

I just pointed out that it was the other way around.....That Fraser does not bring as much to the table as Rielly.

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see, this is insane.[/QUOTE]

No, i want reilly to take over ranger. Fraser-reilly. There you go

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Your think reilly can clear the crease and kill penalties? Yah good luck with that.
we killed penalties just fine last game without Fraser.

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I think the real debate here, and one that the coaching staff will be having when Fraser comes back, is Fraser vs Ranger as the #6 D. If we are to judge by how well they have played, the answer is Fraser.

I wasn't sure if Morgan should stay, but only after 1 so-so game, I really think he belongs in the NHL.

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