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10-07-2013, 02:40 PM
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Sorry that is not what you said "But reilly doesnt bring half the stuff that mark fraser brings.

I just pointed out that it was the other way around.....That Fraser does not bring as much to the table as Rielly.
Yeah i undertand that. But what reilly brings.....gardiner, franson, ranger?, phaneuf can all bring too.
What mark fraser brings, no one else can bring.

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10-07-2013, 02:41 PM
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Your think reilly can clear the crease and kill penalties? Yah good luck with that.

And fraser is not another goon forward who can just fight. Our D is considerably soft without him.
Yes he can kill penalties.....as for clearing the crease....he sure pushed Bobby Ryan around....he is stronger then you think.

Besides there is far more to playing D then being a thug.....intelligence is the most important part. Look at all the top D man in the game.....

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10-07-2013, 02:52 PM
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Yes he can kill penalties.....as for clearing the crease....he sure pushed Bobby Ryan around....he is stronger then you think.

Besides there is far more to playing D then being a thug.....intelligence is the most important part. Look at all the top D man in the game.....
You make it sound like im trying to give Fraser top 2 minutes and play him besides phaneuf. Well im not.

As a 6th D, he is perfect. He is our Mcquaid, polak, engelland, Matt Greene, etc..

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10-07-2013, 02:58 PM
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Who's Chicago's Fraser? Detroit's?

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10-07-2013, 03:02 PM
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Who's Chicago's Fraser? Detroit's?
Lol carlyle isnt a Babcock or Quenville.

Carlyle coaching style is more like Hithcocks, Sutter, Julien...

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weird that carlyle didn't call up holzer or macwilliam when fraser got injured, eh?

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speaking of Hitchcock, who's his version of Fraser on STL right now?

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weird that carlyle didn't call up holzer or macwilliam when fraser got injured, eh?
Its Nonis who calls people up and sends em down, not the coach. I don't know much about macwilliam, but Holzer is just god awful... my biases aside I think the reason Holzer didn't get called up because they wanted Rielly to get his turn.

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10-07-2013, 03:26 PM
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speaking of Hitchcock, who's his version of Fraser on STL right now?
Polak?? I said it in my first post dude

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10-07-2013, 03:28 PM
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weird that carlyle didn't call up holzer or macwilliam when fraser got injured, eh?
Holzer is trash first of all. And because we coudnt due to our salary cap implications. We had 7 D to start with, why would we need to call up any defenseman?? Fraser is injured, so reilly is taking his place.

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why would we call up a defenseman?

because you said a Randy Carlyle coached teams needs a tough guy back on the blueline.

but no, instead they called up devane and abbott to give us an unnecessary extra forward up front.

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fraser's injury is the best early season stroke of luck we could have had.

Fraser is not going to be able to get back into this lineup, as long as they stay healthy.
qft !!

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I would take Fraser over Reilly right now but next year I think Rielly will be better

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You want all offensive minded D? I think you would want someone who can actually play defense as well other than gunnar. At the moment, ranger, gardiner and franson last game couldnt play defense for ****. G

I feel like your forgetting about the little things in hockey that fraser brings. Are you gonna like it when teams crash the net and bump thr galie and score because our team was to soft to clear aybody from near the crease?

I like reilly man. I want him to play as much as you. But not in the expense of fraser. I too want a reilly-fraser matchup
Applying his criteria: keeping only defensemen who can "skate" and "make plays with the puck" this would be our six man unit.

Phaneuf Franson
Gardiner Liles
Rielly Ranger

I can already imagine Reimer and Bernier throwing up in their mouths a little.

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I'd take Morgan Rielly over Paul Ranger instead.

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10-07-2013, 06:49 PM
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Theres two components to defence the first being seperating the guy from the puck, the second being getting the puck to either your partner or up to the forwards who can start the attack. The problem with Leafs blueline is they have guys that can do only one category and struggle at the other, the only well rounded defensmen we have is Phaneuf.

It's not a question of who do u take between Reilly and Fraser, its a no brainer you take them both on the team because they both bring necessary things.

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Applying his criteria: keeping only defensemen who can "skate" and "make plays with the puck" this would be our six man unit.

Phaneuf Franson
Gardiner Liles
Rielly Ranger

I can already imagine Reimer and Bernier throwing up in their mouths a little.
Ekman-Larsson Michalek
Yandle Morris
Schlemko Rundblad

yikes, no tough guys. Mike Smith must hate it.

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10-07-2013, 07:28 PM
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Ekman-Larsson Michalek
Yandle Morris
Schlemko Rundblad

yikes, no tough guys. Mike Smith must hate it.
Never said anything about tough guys, bud. Like most reasonable people, I believe a team needs a balance of different attributes and skills.

Also Phoenix last year...

21st in league standings
22nd in PK percentage
21st in shots allowed per game
16th in blocked shots

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I'd say they're more compatible than comparable. They have two very different skill sets and it makes more sense for their skill sets to play together rather than choosing one over the other.

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Yeah i undertand that. But what reilly brings.....gardiner, franson, ranger?, phaneuf can all bring too.
What mark fraser brings, no one else can bring.
Our division has gotten significantly more tough to play in over the past couple of years. Smaller d-corps that have limited physicality will get rolled over, over the course of the season.

You're right. The Leafs need a player like Mark Fraser to clear the crease and make it difficult for opposing players in the corners. He's also quite adept on the penalty kill.

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Never said anything about tough guys, bud. Like most reasonable people, I believe a team needs a balance of different attributes and skills.

Also Phoenix last year...

21st in league standings
22nd in PK percentage
21st in shots allowed per game
16th in blocked shots
And their three seasons prior to the lockout-shortened season featured point totals of: 97, 99 and 107.

I'm of the belief that you need people to get the puck out of your zone, not people that keep it in. Sure Fraser is suitably gifted on the defensive end and combined with a solid first pass in Franson, a viable option. However it's hard to pick a DFD over a TWD mostly because said DFD does not have the ability of getting the puck out of the zone. It makes the pairing too predictable imo.

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Right now I'd want Fraser b/c we have enough offencive defencemen and we lack toughness back there. I'd take Rielly over Ranger though. Ranger would be the #7 guy for me.

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10-08-2013, 03:10 PM
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Reilly is better in every possible way.
Its a bad time ask this either or thing but think about it this way how old is fraser?
He's 25 when reilly is 25 will this thread be relevent?

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10-08-2013, 04:41 PM
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Ranger is the guy that needs to sit when Fraser gets back.. the guy is a turnover machine.

Also.. to the poster above who said Rielly cleared Bobby Ryan away from the front of the crease.. are you ****ing kidding me? It never happened.

I like Rielly but certain people need to get off his dick.

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Tune in next week when Morgan Rielly solves world hunger while juggling chainsaws!

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