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10-07-2013, 10:54 AM
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Should have traded for Schneider before you went out and got Bryz....
We should have also traded for Bernier and have had a look at Bob's crystal balls... Next time I promise!

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10-07-2013, 10:56 AM
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We should have also traded for Bernier and have had a look at Bob's crystal balls... Next time I promise!
The Bobrovsky jewels.

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10-07-2013, 10:57 AM
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Beating up everyone and scoring a goal a game is better than not beating everyone up and scoring a goal a game.
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10-07-2013, 10:57 AM
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The question is. IS Coaching the problem or is the problem further up the food chain
Lack of coaching adaptation has been the problem.

The other teams figured out Lavy's system, which is: our D get the puck, forwards race as fast as possible out of the zone, then brake at the other blueline. D attempt impossible three-zone pass as part of routine breakout. Puck is turned over, other team advances three F vs 2D with no support as our forwards are either standing still at the far blueline or racing towards it.

Every houseleague peewee coach in Canada has a better system than Lavy.

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10-07-2013, 10:58 AM
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Berube said team defense a concern. Doesn't like how Flyers have played without the puck. "We need to compete a lot harder."
Sounds like Bill Barber...not good enough..better have a plan but it's a start. it was obvious this team didn't believe in Lavi and his stale system with the exception of a few players like Rinaldo who was a coach favorite and Vinny who didn't know any better yet....although his lukewarm comments about the system once he started trying to play it suggested he was not sold either..

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10-07-2013, 11:00 AM
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Lack of coaching adaptation has been the problem.

The other teams figured out Lavy's system, which is: our D get the puck, forwards race as fast as possible out of the zone, then brake at the other blueline. D attempt impossible three-zone pass as part of routine breakout. Puck is turned over, other team advances three F vs 2D with no support as our forwards are either standing still at the far blueline or racing towards it.

Every houseleague peewee coach in Canada has a better system than Lavy.
Clearly, we need to petition the NHL to re-implement the no 2-line pass rule

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10-07-2013, 11:02 AM
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Clearly, we need to petition the NHL to re-implement the no 2-line pass rule
man thats a funny avatar.

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10-07-2013, 11:02 AM
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i bet this team comes out firing on all cylinders and wins its next game .

just the removal of Lavi and the players knowing his stupid system is gone will be enuf to get the win.

i'd bet the farm

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10-07-2013, 11:02 AM
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All this firing means is that it should have been done in the off-season.
Completely agree.

You may not have wanted him, but if it came down to Vancouver or Philly I bet Tortorella would have picked Philly just to troll the Rangers.

There were other good candidates available in the summer too.

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10-07-2013, 11:03 AM
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i bet this team comes out firing on all cylinders and wins its next game .

just the removal of Lavi and the players knowing his stupid system is gone will be enuf to get the win.

i'd bet the farm
It's the Panthers too so

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10-07-2013, 11:03 AM
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Completely agree.

You may not have wanted him, but if it came down to Vancouver or Philly I bet Tortorella would have picked Philly just to troll the Rangers.

There were other good candidates available in the summer too.
Your old coach wouldn't have been a bad choice either.

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10-07-2013, 11:05 AM
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Completely agree.

You may not have wanted him, but if it came down to Vancouver or Philly I bet Tortorella would have picked Philly just to troll the Rangers.

There were other good candidates available in the summer too.
At the same time, and I would have loved tortorella, he's too similar to lavy

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10-07-2013, 11:07 AM
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Clearly, we need to petition the NHL to re-implement the no 2-line pass rule
You either need to change your system to a tighter transition game, or find a top-pairing D man who can both play shutdown and skillfully do your breakout pass to actually replace Pronger, not merely take his place. Streit ain't cutting it. You need someone a la Chara, Subban or Weber.

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10-07-2013, 11:08 AM
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i wonder if there are any line up changes?

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10-07-2013, 11:09 AM
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You either need to change your system to a tighter transition game, or find a top-pairing D man who can both play shutdown and skillfully do your breakout pass to actually replace Pronger, not merely take his place. Streit ain't cutting it. You need someone a la Chara, Subban or Weber.

lol. how is that going to happen?

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10-07-2013, 11:12 AM
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lol. how is that going to happen?
Which one? Finding a true replacement for Pronger, or changing your transition game?

The first one is damn hard; you've been trying to do it for years, without much success.

The second just requires more discipline and capacity to adapt from your coach; which is why I believe Pete's firing is going to be good for your team, but only if your new coach understands where you are lacking and adapt his system accordingly.

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10-07-2013, 11:12 AM
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At the same time, and I would have loved tortorella, he's too similar to lavy
Lavy doesn't play any semblance of team defense or hold players accountable unless they are young in which case he gives them no ice time or opportunities to succeed . Tort's holds everyone accountable and plays team defense. While I don't think going from one extreme to the other would be a good decision I would have preferred him to Lavi in the end, but that's not saying much.

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10-07-2013, 11:13 AM
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I was talking to my mom about this and she mentioned that when she as in the car this morning she heard about this on the radio. She said that they were talking someone "close to the players" and he said that they didn't want Lavi back and didn't think that they could win if things didn't change.

Anyone else hear something like this on the radio this morning?

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10-07-2013, 11:15 AM
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10-07-2013, 11:15 AM
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My post on the main board. I say it with respect to your team and fanbase:



Holy crap. Now the Flyers might become dangerous again.

I've said it countless times in the GDTs against the Habs on saturday: Philly's roster isn't bad at all; it's actually damn good. They are just playing TERRIBLE hockey for the kind of players they have.

Speedy Fowards + Pylon Defensemen is not the sort of lineup you use for an all-out offensive transition. Laviolette just didn't seemed to care that his defensemen were left alone and cause way too much turnover during their transition play; or that huge defensemen need tighter backchecking from the forwards.

There's a reason their PK was good but 5v5 mediocre.



In short, your game system was perfect for when you had a D like Pronger, who was both a great shutdown yet reliable in passing or carrying the puck. Since you lost him, your defense has been... immobile, and your forwards aren't compensating for that lack of mobility. You need a tighter system until you can recover a more opened gameplay.

Montreal's problem was the opposite Under Jacque Martin; we had very mobile top Ds, but we kept a very tight defensive system that was not leveraging our strenghts. It's not about having good or bad players; it's having a system that uses what you have instead of forcing players to play against their strenghts.
Thanks for sharing your post. That is good perspective, and I agree with your point about Martin's tenure with the Habs being almost the mirror-image of Laviolette and the Flyers.

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10-07-2013, 11:16 AM
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Does this mean that another team will hire Lavi and they will win the cup?

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10-07-2013, 11:22 AM
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Oh, you mean we could use a no. 1 defenseman? Good to see you came to our board to post such an enlightened comment.

Our defense corps is more than capable. They weren't in a system where they could succeed. I don't see why HF has such a hard time seeing this.
Every team could use a no. 1 defenseman who can breakout reliably, but it's not every team who has it. Now, if you actually read my post past the obvious first paragraph, you'd understand my point.

Which was: your coaching staff did not adapted well to the loss of your top D. Good coaches adjust holes in their lineup, Pete just tried the same receipe while it was obvious you not longer had what it needed to succeed. Flyers have more than enough skill to be a very competitive team without the sought-after no. 1 D; your defensive core is actually damn solid. Its only weakness is being asked to play a game not suited to its composition.

Stop being on the defensive and actually try to understand my praises for your team. You have all the ingredient for a very competitive hockey team, your chef just sucked.

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I hope this is how Homer sent Lavi on his way:

Holmgren is the opposite of this gif. I'd expect him to say, with no hint of expression, "Peter, do you see the sidewalk across the street? We'll pretend it's the opposition's blue line. Go across to it and wait for me to stretch pass your next paycheque."

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Berube. I'm not surprised. The goon technique, and the dump and chase will continue.

Why wouldn't the Flyers consider hiring a guy like Mark Messier as coach. He was snubbed by the Rangers, so I'm sure Mess would love to come back and haunt those bums.
Just a thought.

Berube. Gimme a ****ing break.

Why is Holmgren still employed?

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Every team could use a no. 1 defenseman who can breakout reliably, but it's not every team who has it. Now, if you actually read my post past the obvious first paragraph, you'd understand my point.

Which was: your coaching staff did not adapted well to the loss of your top D. Good coaches adjust holes in their lineup, Pete just tried the same receipe while it was obvious you not longer had what it needed to succeed. Flyers have more than enough skill to be a very competitive team without the sought-after no. 1 D; your defensive core is actually damn solid. Its only weakness is being asked to play a game not suited to its composition.

Stop being on the defensive and actually try to understand my praises for your team. You have all the ingredient for a very competitive hockey team, your chef just sucked.
Sorry, I misread your post.

Edited mine.

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