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10-03-2013, 12:11 PM
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Lou FUBAR'ed.

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Or teams realized the dilemma Lou was faced with. Decided not to trade with the Devils and gamble on Urbom falling to them.

Guess the Caps gamble paid off.
That makes no sense since seventeen teams didn't even bother putting in a claim. The irony is I'd probably be laughing this off if it was Calgary that claimed him...it'd be whatevs, good luck kid but since it's a division rival with a coach who's had him before it stings a bit more.

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I think it's also important to reflect on what we discussed here prior to Urbom being waived. Many suggested that other, similar and even better players, passed through waivers unclaimed. Hence, some concluded that it was a gimme that Urbom would be claimed.

I imagine that those very same people would be tooting their horn stating "see! told you he wasn't anything special!" had he passed through waivers.

Now I think it's time to eat an appetizer sized helping of crow, and at least admit that you didn't assess his value properly.

The very fact that he was claimed over some others is a testament to his value.

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That makes no sense since seventeen teams didn't even bother putting in a claim. The irony is I'd probably be laughing this off if it was Calgary that claimed him...it'd be whatevs, good luck kid but since it's a division rival with a coach who's had him before it stings a bit more.
Unless Urbom really steps it up this year.. we'll have a shot to take him back IMO.

I don't think he's NHL ready and am not sure the Capitals will want to keep him in the NHL the entire year just to protect him.

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Alright I am over this, more excited for the season to start.

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I think it's also important to reflect on what we discussed here prior to Urbom being waived. Many suggested that other, similar and even better players, passed through waivers unclaimed. Hence, some concluded that it was a gimme that Urbom would be claimed.

I imagine that those very same people would be tooting their horn stating "see! told you he wasn't anything special!" had he passed through waivers.

Now I think it's time to eat an appetizer sized helping of crow, and at least admit that you didn't assess his value properly.

The very fact that he was claimed over some others is a testament to his value.
not really.

he makes nothing. most veteran guys that go on waivers either make a high salary or are not very good. this was the latter.

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That makes no sense since seventeen teams didn't even bother putting in a claim. The irony is I'd probably be laughing this off if it was Calgary that claimed him...it'd be whatevs, good luck kid but since it's a division rival with a coach who's had him before it stings a bit more.
I'm not familiar with their roster situation to be honest. I know Calgary has a bunch of young D men of their own they might not be willing to give up on. Better the young guy know than the young guy don't know, right?

It makes sense to me that those lesser teams wouldn't take the jump. A contending team claiming Urbom makes more sense to me because they'll have the luxury to keep him as a 7th guy and not lose him. They still thought enough of him to give him that shot.

Given the fact that other guys made it through I wouldn't attribute much credence to the whole "if you don't get claimed by bad teams you're not so valuable" argument.

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I think it's also important to reflect on what we discussed here prior to Urbom being waived. Many suggested that other, similar and even better players, passed through waivers unclaimed. Hence, some concluded that it was a gimme that Urbom would be claimed.

I imagine that those very same people would be tooting their horn stating "see! told you he wasn't anything special!" had he passed through waivers.

Now I think it's time to eat an appetizer sized helping of crow, and at least admit that you didn't assess his value properly.

The very fact that he was claimed over some others is a testament to his value.
The fact that he was claimed means very little in terms of his value. It just means another team wants to see what he is before he's sent to the minors.

I mean, I can point out to the fact that he was waived and say he was essentially a give-away... value-less.

If he had enough value to be traded.. he would have been traded. Unfortunately, he didn't. So we had to waive him.

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not really.

he makes nothing. most veteran guys that go on waivers either make a high salary or are not very good. this was the latter.
lol god you are stubborn. You were one of the ones screaming he'd never be claimed and you can't even admit you were wrong about it.

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not really.

he makes nothing. most veteran guys that go on waivers either make a high salary or are not very good. this was the latter.
The two are not mutually exclusive. Just because you get put on waivers by a team it doesn't mean that you're bad at hockey.

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lol god you are stubborn. You were one of the ones screaming he'd never be claimed and you can't even admit you were wrong about it.

I never once was screaming that he'd never be claimed. I thought he wouldn't, sure.

sure, I was wrong. he got claimed. big deal, doesnt change the fact that he is a nothing prospect.

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It makes sense to me that those lesser teams wouldn't take the jump. A contending team claiming Urbom makes more sense to me because they'll have the luxury to keep him as a 7th guy and not lose him. They still thought enough of him to give him that shot.

Given the fact that other guys made it through I wouldn't attribute much credence to the whole "if you don't get claimed by bad teams you're not so valuable" argument.
No, I was saying how many teams really in fact 'gambled he would fall to them by refusing to trade with Lou' if the majority of the league didn't even take him for free themselves?

But your premise here makes no sense either. Not all of the non-contenders are teeming with prospects of their own and Urbom would actually start for a few of them. Many teams don't have roster/cap room at this point of the season so that factors in as well to teams passing on him.

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I'm not going to lose sleep over this but it pisses me off that we have no-talent dusters like Harrold and Volchenkov in the lineup while Mark Fayne is sitting in the press box and Alex Urbom is on waivers.

You spend years cultivating a prospect, and when he's finally ready you lose him for free so that Peter Harrold can lose us more games with his atrocious defensive play and non-existent decision making skills. ****ing stupid.

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The fact that he was claimed means very little in terms of his value. It just means another team wants to see what he is before he's sent to the minors.

I mean, I can point out to the fact that he was waived and say he was essentially a give-away... value-less.

If he had enough value to be traded.. he would have been traded. Unfortunately, he didn't. So we had to waive him.
Well that's also a great point too. The Capitals could be taking a shot in the dark here. But can you acknowledge, that of all the other guys waived, the Capitals felt that "this guy" was worth a spot and not any of the others? Doesn't that essentially speak to his value to the Capitals?

I think everyone around the league knew Lou's dilemma. I'm sure he was low-balled quite a bit for Urbom. He probably realized that waiving him and maybe getting him back was worth more than the 6th or the 7th he was being offered by other teams.

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I never once was screaming that he'd never be claimed. I thought he wouldn't, sure.

sure, I was wrong. he got claimed. big deal, doesnt change the fact that he is a nothing prospect.
He's not a nothing prospect. He's a big guy who can skate and move the puck and is decent defensively. For a defensemen that's a terrific combination of skills. Is he ever going to be more than a complementary defenseman? Probably not. But he's still got second pairing upside.

You don't lose defensemen with that kind of skillset for nothing. Granted, in trade we probably couldn't have gotten too much, but I'll bet you he solidifies himself in the lineup and demonstrates that he can do Salvador's job as least as well as Salvador can by the time this season is over.

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No priority.. but the Devils are the only team who can send him to the minors without waiving him again.

So if the Devils really want him back, all they have to do is put in a claim on him every time he is waived. Either they will lose him to a different team or they will get him back. If no-one else claims him, they can send him straight down. If someone else does claim him, he's stuck in the NHL.
Just to clarify further: that exemption expires after 30 days, or if he plays 10 NHL games.

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Well that's also a great point too. The Capitals could be taking a shot in the dark here. But can you acknowledge, that of all the other guys waived, the Capitals felt that "this guy" was worth a spot and not any of the others? Doesn't that essentially speak to his value to the Capitals?
As much as anything it speaks to the fact Oates has seen him before, and didn't see the other guys that were going through waivers. But the fact he's seen him before and still wants him says something.

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I'm not going to lose sleep over this but it pisses me off that we have no-talent dusters like Harrold and Volchenkov in the lineup while Mark Fayne is sitting in the press box and Alex Urbom is on waivers.

You spend years cultivating a prospect, and when he's finally ready you lose him for free so that Peter Harrold can lose us more games with his atrocious defensive play and non-existent decision making skills. ****ing stupid.
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anyone who says you don't really know what you got in a stay at home defenseman until 25/26 may be right...
but Urbom is only 22, and was subject to waivers no matter when sent down - what are you going to do, healthy scratch him until he is good enough? Or, play him for years (while he is developing) and suffering because he isn't good enough yet? You need to try and win the games at the NHL level

he had to be waived or traded - apparently the trade value wasn't real high

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Urbom was claimed?

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The two are not mutually exclusive. Just because you get put on waivers by a team it doesn't mean that you're bad at hockey.
Works both ways. Just because you were claimed by a team doesn't mean you are good at hockey either.

You can just as easily make the argument his value is Lou because Lou waived him instead of trading him and didn't seem to want to try playing him either.

So maybe it's ya it's annoying but in the grand scheme of things not going to be missed.

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I never once was screaming that he'd never be claimed. I thought he wouldn't, sure.

sure, I was wrong. he got claimed. big deal, doesnt change the fact that he is a nothing prospect.
I just don't know how you can be certain that Urbom is nothing short of a career AHL'er. At what age did Rafalski, Fayne, Greene, Clarkson, Oduya and all the other non drafted players we picked up out of no where started showing flashes of being able to contribute at the NHL level?

We know that #28 and Harrold are borderline #6's, so why not keep the kid who's just 22 and still has room to grow over two players were we already know their ceilings?

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A wasted asset is a wasted asset and this stinks. I'm more upset about Fayne sitting though, and like most have said he can walk away next year. ****

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Even if he turned into a Myles O'Conner or Kevin "Healthy Scratch" Dean, I think it's something we needed. I didn't think he was that far behind Volch (whom I didn't think had a HORRIBLE pre-season), and he only had room to improve.

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