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Bozak vs. Couturier

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10-08-2013, 02:30 PM
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Bozak vs. Couturier

Who is the better player right now?

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10-08-2013, 02:33 PM
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Like almost any Bozak comparison poll... The winner should be not-Bozak, so in this case, Couturier is better.

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10-08-2013, 02:35 PM
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I would have gave it to Couturier, but he stinks at faceoffs. Also Bozak is dominant in the shootout.

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10-08-2013, 02:38 PM
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Voting bozak as of now.

He's a top faceoff guy in the league; plays 20+mins a night on the PP, PK and ES. Has good offenive output, dynamite on the breakaway and shootout and plays one of the most risk-free games I've seen.

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10-08-2013, 02:46 PM
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I can't even imagine the infatuation Toronto would have with Couturier if they had him centering Kessel instead of Bozak.

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10-08-2013, 02:47 PM
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right now? Bozak AINEC... COuts looked like **** when we played flyers

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I would have gave it to Couturier, but he stinks at faceoffs. Also Bozak is dominant in the shootout.
Couturier has won 56% of his faceoffs.

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I don't understand this? Prime player vs 20 year old kid? Not a very good comparison.

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When even a Leafs fan with the username Bozak questions why this is even a poll, it's a damn good question.

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10-08-2013, 02:53 PM
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Mother of crap, I voted for the wrong player. Should be one extra for Bozak.

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10-08-2013, 02:57 PM
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Couturier has won 56% of his faceoffs.
2011/2012: 47% (77 games)
2012/2013: 44% (46 games)
2013/2014: 56% (3 games in)

I stand by my statement.

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Couturier is more defensively responsible than Bozak

Couts has not received 1st line minutes though, so I can't give an honest answer whether he's better offensively right now.

Homer vote for Couturier because with 1 min left defending a lead, I'd much rather have him than Bozak on the ice.

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10-08-2013, 03:21 PM
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2011/2012: 47% (77 games)
2012/2013: 44% (46 games)
2013/2014: 56% (3 games in)

I stand by my statement.
Surely, no young center has ever improved on faceoffs

His faceoffs are noticeably, visibly better than they were the last two seasons.

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10-08-2013, 03:31 PM
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Surely, no young center has ever improved on faceoffs

His faceoffs are noticeably, visibly better than they were the last two seasons.
If he can maintain 50% over the full season then ill believe that he's gotten better at faceoffs.

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10-08-2013, 03:32 PM
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Bozak is the better player right now, but Couturier will without a doubt be better than him, maybe as soon as next season.

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Laviolette gave 0 chances to Couturier to play in the offense and never used him to generate some offense and score goals, i hope that it will change with Berube.

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I can't even imagine the infatuation Toronto would have with Couturier if they had him centering Kessel instead of Bozak.
instead of Bozak vs Couturier it would be Couturier vs Datsyuk

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Bozak = Given 1st line duties playing with Kessel and JVR

Couturier = Given 4th line duties

If Couturier and Bozak when given equal duties, Courturier outperforms Bozak 10 out of 10

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Couturier. Better defensively and way more naturally talented.

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Voting bozak as of now.

He's a top faceoff guy in the league; plays 20+mins a night on the PP, PK and ES. Has good offenive output, dynamite on the breakaway and shootout and plays one of the most risk-free games I've seen.
No disrespect but you're pretty much wrong on all counts.

The difference between Bozak and a completely average faceoff guy is ~51 faceoff wins a season, or slightly more than 1 extra win every other game. In the last full season, Bozak ranked 31st in faceoff percentage among players with 500+ faceoffs taken. That's not a "top faceoff guy".

Good offensive output? He plays with two point-per-game wingers and hasn't cracked 50 points. In the over 8 hours he's played WITHOUT Kessel, he has 8 points and the Leafs have been outscored 31-16. Over the past 3 seasons, despite playing with Kessel almost exclusively, his even strength point production ranks 185th of 228 forwards. Other forwards who score points at the same rate as Bozak include Torrey Mitchell, Tomas Kopecky, and Rene Bourque. None of those players play with Kessel.

As for his game being risk free... Well, he touches the puck so infrequently and is so uninvolved in the play defensively that it would be very unusual if he was in a position to MAKE risky plays.

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Bozak = Given 1st line duties playing with Kessel and JVR

Couturier = Given 4th line duties

If Couturier and Bozak when given equal duties, Courturier outperforms Bozak 10 out of 10
False.

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Tyler Bozak today , Couts tomorrow.

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Bozak is absolutely horrendous.

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Couturier hasn't proven anything yet. Well, he's proven he can play in the NHL. Bozak has played well in the NHL. You can argue if Couturier would be better if he were given legitimate minutes and such, but we don't know that. So, based on actuality, Bozak would have to be the better player.

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Bozak is absolutely horrendous.
~50 points, solid defensively, good on faceoffs, kills penalties. What is so horrendous here?

Did you not see the SH goal against Montreal? He's a very smart player. IIRC, he also has a 5 on 3 SH a year or two ago...those aren't very common.

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