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10-12-2013, 02:34 PM
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^ on the other hand, i thought palffy made players around him better in a way that bondra and gaborik never have. part of it is he was equally good as a playmaker as he was a shooter. but also, he seemed to be a guy who was so preternaturally gifted that he gave his teams a confidence. he didn't have the opportunity to have too many shining moments in the playoffs, which hurts his legacy but maybe also inflates it a bit because our only real memory of him in the playoffs is the scare he gave the 2002 avs.

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10-12-2013, 08:32 PM
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...if you really have photographic memory, you'd know the entire list of horrendous goalies Palffy played his entire career, which prevented him from putting together much of a playoff resume.

Palffy is the most underrated DPE player, AINEC. Combine his slight frame with the glorious clutching/grabbing during that period, and suddenly his production during that timeframe looks mind-numbing.


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...if you really have photographic memory, you'd know the entire list of horrendous goalies Palffy played his entire career, which prevented him from putting together much of a playoff resume.

Palffy is the most underrated DPE player, AINEC. Combine his slight frame with the glorious clutching/grabbing during that period, and suddenly his production during that timeframe looks mind-numbing.
Palffy was a good player. As mentioned above he could make players around him better than Bondra ever could. However that isn't a huge stretch either. Bondra wasn't a playmaker.

Palffy lacked the intensity that I would have wanted in a player of his stature. The fact that he lacked the substance has nothing to do with the goalies who played with him and the lacklustre teams he played on. He just was never a big story in the NHL. There were always several players you would pick over him for a stretch drive. Which explains why no one ever picked him up.

He just wasn't an intense player. He was more of a perimeter player in his career.


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10-13-2013, 04:48 AM
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Palffy was a good player. As mentioned above he could make players around him better than Bondra ever could. However that isn't a huge stretch either. Bondra wasn't a playmaker.

Palffy lacked the intensity that I would have wanted in a player of his stature. The fact that he lacked the substance has nothing to do with the goalies who played with him and the lacklustre teams he played on. He just was never a big story in the NHL. There were always several players you would pick over him for a stretch drive. Which explains why no one ever picked him up.

He just wasn't an intense player. He was more of a perimeter player in his career.
Honestly, Palffy was a better player after '96 than some of the players who got attention like Kariya, Mogilny and Murray.

Imagine Palffy being traded to Wings, Blues or Avs being on a line with Demitra, Fedorov or Forsberg. I think we would have a different conversation about him.


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10-13-2013, 04:58 AM
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He was on the Kings and was the same sort of player. I find Palffy to be a lot like Bondra, or Gaborik today. Good players, lots of talent, a knack for scoring goals, but bring little else to the table and far from the first name you think of if you want a tying goal late in the game.
Andy Murray and the people who witnessed the avs series in '02 disagrees with you. Palffy was a clutch player.

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This isn't related to his 96 season, but Palffy was responsible for a great through-the-media chirp at one point.

Marc Janssens, who was a veteran defensive forward/faceoff specialist type guy at the time, referred to Palffy after a loss as "the most unathletic-looking superstar I've ever seen."

Told that Janssens had said this about him, Palffy asked, quite earnestly, "Who's Marc Janssens?"

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Andy Murray and the people who witnessed the avs series in '02 disagrees with you. Palffy was a clutch player.
He has a rather small sample size to choose from (24 games 19 playoff points)

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Honestly, Palffy was a better player after '96 than some of the players who got attention like Kariya, Mogilny and Murray.

Imagine Palffy being traded to Wings, Blues or Avs being on a line with Demitra, Fedorov or Forsberg. I think we would have a different conversation about him.
How do you think he was a better player than Kariya after 1996? I find that intriguing. Glen Murray I can live with and Mogilny was so hot and cold after 1996 that you never knew which way he was going to go.

I'm not sure he was a guy that had "4 rounds of grueling playof hockey" written all over him even if he did get a trade to a better team. He was good, I'll leave it at that, but I just always felt he was too soft out there, too timid.

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10-13-2013, 11:50 AM
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I just always felt he was too soft out there, too timid.
At his height, not-exactly-stocky, and, as Mark Janssens put it, "unathletic" build, what were you expecting?

As for you wondering why teams didn't acquire him for playoff runs, how do you know what Dave Taylor's asking price was?

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Andy Murray and the people who witnessed the avs series in '02 disagrees with you. Palffy was a clutch player.
Eight of his nine points in that series either tied the game or put the Kings up by one. Certainly a step-up from the 2001 series, where he only had points in one of the seven games.

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You don't have a photographic memory of NHL seasons? For me it boils down to having a memory like an elephant in the first place, remembering where I was when watching famous games and being a natural sports stat freak in the first place. For example the storylines of 1994-'95 other than the lockout off the top of my head were the emergence of Lindros and to a lesser extent Jagr. 1995-'96 we covered. 1996-'97 I think of the World Cup hangover, Mario's swan song (at the time), the stupid crease rule being called among other things.

I always have a fantastic memory to capture the mood of that season, who everyone thought were the best players that year, the best teams, etc.



He was on the Kings and was the same sort of player. I find Palffy to be a lot like Bondra, or Gaborik today. Good players, lots of talent, a knack for scoring goals, but bring little else to the table and far from the first name you think of if you want a tying goal late in the game.
I do not. I have always been a Penguins fan more than an NHL fan. I am not sure what that says about me But, I watch 75+ Penguins games a year, and maybe a dozen, at most, games not involving them total. So, while I generally have a "feel" for what is going on in the rest of the league between all that watching and what I read on here, my fandom mostly exists as an island unto itself.

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This isn't related to his 96 season, but Palffy was responsible for a great through-the-media chirp at one point.

Marc Janssens, who was a veteran defensive forward/faceoff specialist type guy at the time, referred to Palffy after a loss as "the most unathletic-looking superstar I've ever seen."

Told that Janssens had said this about him, Palffy asked, quite earnestly, "Who's Marc Janssens?"
That is great. I have to also confess I've never heard of Marc Janssens before, haha

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At his height, not-exactly-stocky, and, as Mark Janssens put it, "unathletic" build, what were you expecting?

As for you wondering why teams didn't acquire him for playoff runs, how do you know what Dave Taylor's asking price was?
When still with the Isles Palffy was a part of a package to acquire Roenick. Now listen to this, the package included Palffy, Green, Kasparaitis and Lachance. Chicago said they were trying to unload 4th liners and went with Zhamnov and Mills instead.

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When still with the Isles Palffy was a part of a package to acquire Roenick. Now listen to this, the package included Palffy, Green, Kasparaitis and Lachance. Chicago said they were trying to unload 4th liners and went with Zhamnov and Mills instead.
Haha I'm not going to ask for a link because I believe Milbury would totally have offered Palffy++ for Roenick.

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Haha I'm not going to ask for a link because I believe Milbury would totally have offered Palffy++ for Roenick.
Isn't it worse that Pulford/Wirtz said no? They also turned down the Blues package of disgruntled players Hull/Corson + another player according to Bobby Hull. If anyone still wonders why hawks kept missing the playoffs, they shouldn't.

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Isn't it worse that Pulford/Wirtz said no? They also turned down the Blues package of disgruntled players Hull/Corson + another player according to Bobby Hull. If anyone still wonders why hawks kept missing the playoffs, they shouldn't.
I think saying no to Palffy would have been dumb but I can see why they would have turned down Hull and Corson. Both guys were in their 30s and presumably on the decline. Before the '94 lockout I don't think many players stayed effective after 30 and I think that notion may have still resonated in 1996.

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I think saying no to Palffy would have been dumb but I can see why they would have turned down Hull and Corson. Both guys were in their 30s and presumably on the decline. Before the '94 lockout I don't think many players stayed effective after 30 and I think that notion may have still resonated in 1996.
Hull/Corson+ was still a better sounding deal at that time than Zhamnov and Mills. There was a rumour that they tried to get Cloutier, Dubé and a 1st round pick from Rangers who turned it down.

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Isn't it worse that Pulford/Wirtz said no? They also turned down the Blues package of disgruntled players Hull/Corson + another player according to Bobby Hull. If anyone still wonders why hawks kept missing the playoffs, they shouldn't.
yup. clearly a $$$ decision. not that green and lachance weren't necessarily the "fourth liners" chicago brass said they were, but palffy was looking for a big money deal, and hull/corson weren't going to come cheap either.

from milbury's perspective, seems like it's been NYI's MO for a long time to sell the farm to pick up guys who will put butts in the seats (i.e., roenick). i don't know if this was before or after wang took over, but probably not actually his fault for floating that one.

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yup. clearly a $$$ decision. not that green and lachance weren't necessarily the "fourth liners" chicago brass said they were, but palffy was looking for a big money deal, and hull/corson weren't going to come cheap either.

from milbury's perspective, seems like it's been NYI's MO for a long time to sell the farm to pick up guys who will put butts in the seats (i.e., roenick). i don't know if this was before or after wang took over, but probably not actually his fault for floating that one.
If I remember correctly, Wang took part-ownership in 2000 so he wasn't involved. This was during the whole fiasco with Pickett wanting to sell, John Spano with no money, Gluckstern and so on...

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The opinion shared by many on Palffy was that he had a high batting average without a lot of runs batted in. In other words, not a lot of substance to his game. I have a photographic memory of every season in the NHL that I have seen and as hard as I can try I can't think of a time when people's attention was devoted to Palffy, or the Islanders for that matter.
Was Palffy's breakout year somewhat comparable to, say, Nagy's breakout years with Phoenix circa 2002-2004? Young, slick, offensively gifted European player on a bad team who put up very good offensive numbers (given the era), but didn't offer much else on the ice. And not thought of as someone who would ever be the best player on a contender?

Obviously, Nagy's career in North America went south after the 2005 lockout (haven't kept up with him since, so I have no idea if he even still plays), while Palffy's career was just starting to take off.

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Was Palffy's breakout year somewhat comparable to, say, Nagy's breakout years with Phoenix circa 2002-2004? Young, slick, offensively gifted European player on a bad team who put up very good offensive numbers (given the era), but wasn't thought of as someone who would ever be the best player on a contender?

Obviously, Nagy's career in North America went south after the 2005 lockout (haven't kept up with him since, so I have no idea if he even still plays), while Palffy's career was just starting to take off.
No, Palffy was viewed as a cornerstone of the Islanders franchise. They were the team of the future, oh, if they only knew how bad it would turn out.

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No, Palffy was viewed as a cornerstone of the Islanders franchise. They were the team of the future, oh, if they only knew how bad it would turn out.
I was just wondering if that "cornerstone" tag that we're all familiar being associated with Palffy was only given to him after his initial breakout year, once he showed that he was capable of duplicating that performance. I personally don't remember much about that specific 1995-96 season. After that, I agree with you 100%.

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I was just wondering if that "cornerstone" tag that we're all familiar being associated with Palffy was only given to him after his initial breakout year, once he showed that he was capable of duplicating that performance. I personally don't remember much about that specific 1995-96 season. After that, I agree with you 100%.
Well, he was considered the star of the Isles for the remainder of his time there but no one believed in a revival after Milburys trades and the failure of the ownership so I don't think anybody really talked about it anymore. He got the tag back when he played for the Kings.

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Well, he was considered the star of the Isles for the remainder of his time there but no one believed in a revival after Milburys trades and the failure of the ownership so I don't think anybody really talked about it anymore. He got the tag back when he played for the Kings.
Makes sense. So I guess even from the start, he was closer to a Bondra than he was to a Nagy.

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Hull/Corson+ was still a better sounding deal at that time than Zhamnov and Mills. There was a rumour that they tried to get Cloutier, Dubé and a 1st round pick from Rangers who turned it down.
Roenick for Cloutier+ would have been brutal for the Hawks.

In hindsight, Roenick for Hull/Corson would have been better but I can understand why they went for Zhamnov instead. Same age as Roenick, shades of that monster 94-95 season. However, that Palffy deal would have been much better.

Yeah, I know we've derailed this thread a bit here.

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Was Palffy's breakout year somewhat comparable to, say, Nagy's breakout years with Phoenix circa 2002-2004? Young, slick, offensively gifted European player on a bad team who put up very good offensive numbers (given the era), but didn't offer much else on the ice. And not thought of as someone who would ever be the best player on a contender?

Obviously, Nagy's career in North America went south after the 2005 lockout (haven't kept up with him since, so I have no idea if he even still plays), while Palffy's career was just starting to take off.
I doubt people thought much of Nagy back then. He wasn't even the best forward in Phoenix in 02-03 (Johnson and Doan outscored him). In 03-04 he played well but he didn't play a full season. Whereas Palffy was by far the best forward on the Islanders when he first broke out and played a full season as well.

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Honestly, Palffy was a better player after '96 than some of the players who got attention like Kariya, Mogilny and Murray.

Imagine Palffy being traded to Wings, Blues or Avs being on a line with Demitra, Fedorov or Forsberg. I think we would have a different conversation about him.
While I agree that Palffy was underrated, I really can't agree that he was better than Kariya. I think, for whatever reason, history has not treated Kariya well (my guess is because his career went downhill after the injuries piled up, while Selanne has had an incredibly productive back-end of his career...so some people apply "false hindsight" and say that Selanne was the superior player of the two and Kariya benefited more by playing with Teemu).

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