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10-11-2013, 10:01 AM
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I love how quickly stupid threads like this become a haven for awesome sarcastic jokes that pretend to have something to do with the OP.

I'm looking at you, Sevenston and Kirk.

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As I said, I believe the issue we are using most here in this thread is not indicative of the general consensus of these players, as the only bloke I know who came out vocally on the issue I can think was Sean Avery, and he is hardly a go-to for such issues. A more famous player in this discussion most certainly is TT, and we know what side of the isle he stands.
So you prefer relying on the opinon of individual players as opposed to looking at a polling of many players?

Makes sense.

Also, I don't want to get into a player count, but recently Zetterberg and Hedman came out and condemned the Russian anti-gay laws.

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10-11-2013, 10:02 AM
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It probably has something to do with the welfare state and that being predominately a liberal ideology. Under Dear Leader the welfare state has exploded.

Ironically "conservatives" donate far more to charity, however. Even liberals don't dispute this fact:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/op...stof.html?_r=0
To what end? Is it for tex purposes or out of the sheer generosity of their hearts?

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10-11-2013, 10:05 AM
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So you prefer relying on the opinon of individual players as opposed to looking at a polling of many players?

Makes sense.

Also, I don't want to get into a player count, but recently Zetterberg and Hedman came out and condemned the Russian anti-gay laws.
I will:

David Backes[24]
Patrice Bergeron[25]
Brian Boyle[26]
Tyler Bozak[26]
Dustin Brown[27]
Dustin Byfuglien[28]
Ryan Callahan[24]
Brian Campbell[29]
Zdeno Chára[30]
Cal Clutterbuck[31]
Sidney Crosby[25]
Jordan Eberle[32]
Brian Elliott[32]
Mark Fayne[26]
Andrew Ference[33]
Jason Garrison[34]
Claude Giroux[35]
Tanner Glass[28]
Andy Greene[26]
Scott Hartnell[35]
Matt Hendricks[36]
Braden Holtby[37]
Ryan Jones[38]
Duncan Keith[35]
Ryan Kesler[28]
Henrik Lundqvist[35]
Joffrey Lupul[35]
Manny Malhotra[34]
Alec Martinez[27]
Matt Moulson[35]
Rick Nash[35]
Frans Nielsen[26]
Brooks Orpik[39]
Zach Parise[24]
George Parros[26]
Corey Perry[35]
Dion Phaneuf[35]
Jason Pominville[30]
Carey Price[40]
Brandon Prust[26]
Steven Stamkos[29]
David Steckel[26]
Ryan Suter[24]
Joe Thornton[41]
Jonathan Toews[25]
RJ Umberger[26]
James Van Riemsdyk[26]
Shea Weber[40]
Ryan Whitney[42]
Tommy Wingels[43]
W. Brett Wilson (Predators owner)[44]
Keith Yandle[24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Can_Play

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10-11-2013, 10:07 AM
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So you prefer relying on the opinon of individual players as opposed to looking at a polling of many players?

Makes sense.

Also, I don't want to get into a player count, but recently Zetterberg and Hedman came out and condemned the Russian anti-gay laws.
As I said - and yes it is anecdotal - my experiences in the hockey capital of American hockey tend toward conservatism. This is in a "blue" state and perhaps most liberal city in the Midwest. Other observances support this; others not as much, as has been pointed out by some here.

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10-11-2013, 10:10 AM
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To what end? Is it for tex purposes or out of the sheer generosity of their hearts?
In the case of Mitt Romney, it's so he can try on the magic underwear.

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As I said - and yes it is anecdotal - my experiences in the hockey capital of American hockey tend toward conservatism. This is in a "blue" state and perhaps most liberal city in the Midwest. Other observances support this; others not as much, as has been pointed out by some here.
What other experiences? You've named one.

Even just looking at Leafsdude's list, you see a ton of Americans on that list that support You Can Play, including Backes, Byfuglien and others from Minnesota.

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My cousin is Canadian, a professional hockey player and very much conservative. His DI mates were plenty conservative - in fact mostly conservative. This from a DI program from a very liberal state and a very liberal city. Also from all the kids I grew up playing with in this most liberal city in the Midwest, of whom most were conservative.
A good friend of mine who played DI (played at Ferris State from 2002/2003 - 2006/2007) and professional hockey is very liberal. I've asked him this before and most everyone he played with (including at the professional ranks) were liberal as well.

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Let's also keep in mind that selfish people are more likely to be conservative, so I'm sure there's a strong correlation between goal-assist ratio and political ideology.
If that is the case I am pretty sure Jeff Carter is Ayn Rand reincarnate.

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I hear Henrik Sedin is a lifelong supporter of the Swedish social democrat party.
I know you're facetious, but given how fiercely left-leaning Northern Sweden is the Sedins probably do support the Social Democrats.

Börje Salming is a very outspoken supporter of the Social Democrats, that's the only Swedish hockey player I know of that has made his political affiliation known publicly.

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1. You can play is specifically related to the possibility of openly gay players being accepted in the NHL. It doesn't seek to do anything more.

2. That list is incomplete. Lots of young players did videos for you can play as AHL'ers:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...EJReuNHAsSu1hQ

As a NYI fan, this includes (at least) Matt Donovan and Brock Nelson now with the big club.

Notably in the Bridgeport video is Kirill Kabanov, which is interesting for two reasons (i) he says it in Russian, and (ii) he can't play.

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1. You can play is specifically related to the possibility of openly gay players being accepted in the NHL. It doesn't seek to do anything more.
This is worth noting, but it's not unreasonable to suggest a strong correlation between gay marriage support and involvement in You Can Play.

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A good friend of mine who played DI (played at Ferris State from 2002/2003 - 2006/2007) and professional hockey is very liberal. I've asked him this before and most everyone he played with (including at the professional ranks) were liberal as well.

My anecdote >>> your anecdote.
Maybe. Maybe, though, it's more just as equally as relevant as mine.

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We just had an election here in Austria, but there was no mention of who Grabner and Vanek voted for! Grabner is from Carinthia, which voted for a far-right party until it bankrupted the whole province, so now they vote for the Social Democrats. Vanek is from Styria, which used to vote for the center-right party but just voted for the far-right party because of a boycott by the center-right and center-left mayors. If anyone cares!

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Maybe. Maybe, though, it's more just as equally as relevant as mine.
Equally as relevant in that they're both completely irrelevant.

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Equally as relevant in that they're both completely irrelevant.
Exactly. But at least mine had dates and a team.

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It probably has something to do with the welfare state and that being predominately a liberal ideology. Under Dear Leader the welfare state has exploded.
Yet most of these guys you think are conservative have no problem plying their trade in socialist arenas and colleges.

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I know you're facetious, but given how fiercely left-leaning Northern Sweden is the Sedins probably do support the Social Democrats.

Börje Salming is a very outspoken supporter of the Social Democrats, that's the only Swedish hockey player I know of that has made his political affiliation known publicly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Steen

Though, yeah, he did it in Canada, not in Sweden...

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1. You can play is specifically related to the possibility of openly gay players being accepted in the NHL. It doesn't seek to do anything more.
True, but the argument I'm responding to here is that "the gay issue" is not one that hockey players are vocal about. This clearly says otherwise, even if the length to which they are taking the issue isn't to what many would consider "the goal" of the LGBT community.

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Exactly. But at least mine had dates and a team.
Probably gay dates!

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Probably gay dates!
Nah, he married a hot puck bunny.

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Exactly. But at least mine had dates and a team.
True. Bonus points for additional information. All points are still multiplied by zero.

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Probably a ga...

Yeah, I was kidding anyway, but good on him!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Steen

Though, yeah, he did it in Canada, not in Sweden...
I completely forgot about him.

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True. Bonus points for additional information. All points are still multiplied by zero.

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Nah, he married a hot puck bunny.
Obviously a lavender marriage

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This is worth noting, but it's not unreasonable to suggest a strong correlation between gay marriage support and involvement in You Can Play.
You're right, of course. Openness is about mainstreaming, bringing people in from the margins. Marriage equality does the same thing.

What's notable about You Can Play is that hockey players seem to "get" that they're supposed to shut up and sing, unless what they're talking about directly effects them. Their locker room is their home, so usually humble hockey players feel they have the right to speak up. You Can Play is a well-designed program specifically because it promotes openness without directly espousing any political views.

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