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10-12-2013, 12:31 AM
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Bos - Edm

To Edmonton:
Milan Lucic
2nd round 2014

To Boston:
Taylor Hall

Oilers top 6 is embarrassingly weak
Boston has enough grit and need top end speed in Hall

Too much 1st overall's on a team = no true team identity.


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10-12-2013, 12:32 AM
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Neither team trades their guy. They are cornerstones to their respective teams.

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10-12-2013, 12:34 AM
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Neither team trades their guy. They are cornerstones to their respective teams.
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To Edmonton:
Milan Lucic
2nd round 2014

To Boston:
Taylor Hall

Oilers top 6 is embarrassingly small.
Boston has enough grit and need top end speed in Hall

Too much 1st overall's on a team = no true team identity.
This is just silly. Edmonton may have a team identity problem but Taylor Hall isn't the problem.

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10-12-2013, 12:36 AM
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Agreed.



This is just silly. Edmonton may have a team identity problem but Taylor Hall isn't the problem.
Perhaps alone he isn't the problem, but when you pair Hall, and Yakupov, and Hopkins.. Hell even Eberle to some extent, these guys played in Junior as the "go to guys".. these guys were the puck carriers, the weapons on the power play, basically the person to go to for offence. When you have this many personalities on a team that demand the puck like that, I personally don't think that leads to a team success. Look at Calgary

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Perhaps alone he isn't the problem, but when you pair Hall, and Yakupov, and Hopkins.. Hell even Eberle to some extent, these guys played in Junior as the "go to guys".. these guys were the puck carriers, the weapons on the power play, basically the person to go to for offence. When you have this many personalities on a team that demand the puck like that, I personally don't think that leads to a team success. Look at Calgary
Nugent Hopkins and Eberle aren't the type who demand the puck. I could see that statement in regards to Hall and Yakupov, but that's why they play on different lines. If you've been watching, our problems don't lie with our forward talent, its with our defense, and our players not playing Eakins' new system very well yet. He is basically trying to change the entire way the team players, that takes time. It's only been four games ffs. Give them a few more games, and hopefully we see the system starting to take shape.

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Nugent Hopkins and Eberle aren't the type who demand the puck. I could see that statement in regards to Hall and Yakupov, but that's why they play on different lines. If you've been watching, our problems don't lie with our forward talent, its with our defense, and our players not playing Eakins' new system very well yet. He is basically trying to change the entire way the team players, that takes time. It's only been four games ffs. Give them a few more games, and hopefully we see the system starting to take shape.
Okay, so let me get this straight:

1) No net front presence.. (small team)
2) Taylor hall gets smoked by a little **** in Lars Eller.. no protection (weak team with no backbone)
3) Constantly getting out muscled on the boards, nobody drives the puck to the net (small and weak team with no backbone)

and our problem is.... "Systems" ??? Milan Lucic wouldn't help in those areas even a little bit ?

How much were you drinking during those 4 games.. hell, how much were you drinking these last 4 years? Were not a big team. That's the problem. It's not a system flaw, we've had 4 different coach's who each bring their own system play. I don't buy that any of those systems didn't work.

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10-12-2013, 01:23 AM
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Hall is the best player on our team. There is no way the Oilers would even consider this

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10-12-2013, 01:28 AM
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Both sides say no.

But damn, Lucic would be amazing in Oil silks.

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Both sides say no.

But damn, Lucic would be amazing in Oil silks.
At the expense of Hall?

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10-12-2013, 01:30 AM
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The only thing Boston loses in this trade is their identity.

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Okay, so let me get this straight:

1) No net front presence.. (small team)
2) Taylor hall gets smoked by a little **** in Lars Eller.. no protection (weak team with no backbone)
3) Constantly getting out muscled on the boards, nobody drives the puck to the net (small and weak team with no backbone)

and our problem is.... "Systems" ??? Milan Lucic wouldn't help in those areas even a little bit ?

How much were you drinking during those 4 games.. hell, how much were you drinking these last 4 years? Were not a big team. That's the problem. It's not a system flaw, we've had 4 different coach's who each bring their own system play. I don't buy that any of those systems didn't work.
Lars Eller is "little"? Lol watch more hockey.

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10-12-2013, 01:34 AM
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At the expense of Hall?
Nah, not Hall. Just saying Lucic would be a good fit here.

Just for fun though, not saying it will happen, but if Perron can play the right side as good as the left, Eberle could be dangled in a deal for Lucic. Although I'm sure the Bruins fans would say no.

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boston would never do this. lucic is the team and drives them.

edm would be foolish not to do this, hall is great but he isn't a milan lucic. he doesn't drive the team to win, RNH does.

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Oilers should say no, Bruins should say yes.

In 4-7 years Lucic will break down physically and will be a shell of his former self, while Hall will continue to be an elite player with little to no signs of slowing down.

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Lucic would be almost impossible for the Oilers to obtain without giving up someone huge. If try and target Hartnell, could play on any line and provide much needed toughness.

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Hall has great offensive skills and I look forward to watching/cheering for him in the future on a Team Canada roster. But, no way this trade happens. Lucic is extremely important to the Bruins and probably equally as important as Hall is to the Oilers.


Oilers could probably use some grit and I definitely wouldn't mind the Bruins having an offensive player like Hall....but not at the expense of Lucic.

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Lars Eller is "little"? Lol watch more hockey.
He's probably 6' 200lbs. But not exactly a physical hockey player...plays like 5,6 150lbs

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No way I would do this if I was the Oilers

Taylor Hall has superstar 90+ point potential, one of the fastest skaters in the game and can be a top-tier game breaker.. As rare of a player Lucic is (and how amazing he is) his upside isn't as good as Hall's..

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boston would never do this. lucic is the team and drives them.

edm would be foolish not to do this, hall is great but he isn't a milan lucic. he doesn't drive the team to win, RNH does.
Taylor Hall was a top 10 scorer in the NHL last year and is arguably one of if not the best offensive left wingers in the game, and has been driving the oilers offense ever since he was drafted.

To suggest he isn't the difference maker on offense for us a bit misguided IMO.

Would love Lucic, but Hall isn't being traded. Ever.

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Is it just me or is every second thread an Oiler proposal?

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Is it just me or is every second thread an Oiler proposal?
It's 4 games into the season, and Oilers are 1-3.

The world is obviously ending, trade anyone and everyone!!

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Okay, so let me get this straight:

1) No net front presence.. (small team)
2) Taylor hall gets smoked by a little **** in Lars Eller.. no protection (weak team with no backbone)
3) Constantly getting out muscled on the boards, nobody drives the puck to the net (small and weak team with no backbone)

and our problem is.... "Systems" ??? Milan Lucic wouldn't help in those areas even a little bit ?

How much were you drinking during those 4 games.. hell, how much were you drinking these last 4 years? Were not a big team. That's the problem. It's not a system flaw, we've had 4 different coach's who each bring their own system play. I don't buy that any of those systems didn't work.
Your assessment is typical of someone who doesn't understand hockey. Muscle, muscle, muscle. Blah blah blah. Muscle isn't the issue. Hall got drilled from behind by Eller, who isn't small. The Oilers wanted the powerplay, so nobody jumped Eller.

Our problem IS the system, or the lack of awareness of how to play it. You can see it with how often our players are out of position. How often they try to pass it, only to realize that the teammate isn't where he should be. As per your posession arguments...the Oilers actually won the even strength Corsi against the Habs. They just weren't shooting the puck. The team is small, you are right. But our biggest issue this year has NOT been the lack of size of our forwards. If you think it has, you should take up another sport, because you don't understand the nuances of this one.

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He's probably 6' 200lbs. But not exactly a physical hockey player...plays like 5,6 150lbs
6'2, 215 pounds. And he's playing with an edge this year so far, not playing soft at all. Nice try though.

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Your assessment is typical of someone who doesn't understand hockey. Muscle, muscle, muscle. Blah blah blah. Muscle isn't the issue. Hall got drilled from behind by Eller, who isn't small. The Oilers wanted the powerplay, so nobody jumped Eller.

Our problem IS the system, or the lack of awareness of how to play it. You can see it with how often our players are out of position. How often they try to pass it, only to realize that the teammate isn't where he should be. As per your posession arguments...the Oilers actually won the even strength Corsi against the Habs. They just weren't shooting the puck. The team is small, you are right. But our biggest issue this year has NOT been the lack of size of our forwards. If you think it has, you should take up another sport, because you don't understand the nuances of this one.
the problem with this mindset you have regarding corsi and possession and all this junk is the fact that it's all numbers. At the end of the day we lost, there's no silver lining to that. Corsi this corsi that, blah blah blah.. Corsi, as wonderful as it is, does not measure fear or momentum shifting shifts that Lucic provides on the daily. There's alot more to hockey than using an excel sheet, perhaps it is you that should consider a different sport?? Sometimes when watching a team, it's best to look for the obvious instead of trying to dig up a silver lining referring to Corsi, lol were not statisticians and hockey isn't meant to be put in those terms.

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I would trade Taylor Hall for Milan Lucic every single day of the week and twice on Sundays. There is only one of those types of players and its not a coincidence Boston would demand a price tag like Hall.

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