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01-13-2014, 07:48 PM
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Can an ex player become a ref one day?

Once a player retires they still have the speed to catch up to plays. Players have good vision of the puck and was wondering is it possible a player like Crosby could become a ref one day?

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01-13-2014, 07:50 PM
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Can't see why they would. The majority of players probably wouldn't based on how they treated officials.

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I'm sure he could if he wanted. But for someone like crosby I don't see why he'd take a 60k a year job when he could probably work for the nhl or the pens front office pushing a million

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Bill McCreary did it, so it is possible. Not feasible because of the tensions that player build with refs throughout their careers.

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Of course they could, but it is a stressful job with a lot of garbage traveling, so I am not sure why any millionaire would work for a fraction of what they made as a player.

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Bill McCreary did it, so it is possible. Not feasible because of the tensions that player build with refs throughout their careers.
Could not find info on Bill McCreary as a player.

One who played in the WHA/NHL was Paul Stewart.

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in Finland it is very common that refs are former FEL players. Jari Levonen is the best referee in Finland and in his playing years in FEL he was most penalized player in one season. 689 penalty minutes in his 459 game career.

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I'm sure they wouldn't want to ref at the pro level. It's a demanding job. They just retired as players.

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in Finland it is very common that refs are former FEL players. Jari Levonen is the best referee in Finland and in his playing years in FEL he was most penalized player in one season. 689 penalty minutes in his 459 game career.
Paul Stewart was heavily penalized too.

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01-13-2014, 08:31 PM
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Possible bias...and much more importantly...the perception of potential bias...should pretty much limit players from doing this

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If a player has the natural skill being a ref he has the upside of knowing the game from a player's view. In Sweden one of the best and most respected refs ever is a former elite player in Ulf Rådbjer. He was well liked by the players much thanx to his perception of how players think.

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Dean Morton I believe played 1 NHL game and many years in the AHL.

Kevin Maguire reffed a few years before being let go by Andy VanHellemond.

I think the more than fair compensation of players is one major reason we will not see a former player anymore. If we did see someone as a former player ref, it would have to be like Morton.

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in Finland it is very common that refs are former FEL players. Jari Levonen is the best referee in Finland and in his playing years in FEL he was most penalized player in one season. 689 penalty minutes in his 459 game career.
Makes sense, he'd probably be real familiar with even the obscure rules in the book since he broke all of them on numerous occasions.

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Sure they could. Not all former players are millionaires, and not all former players can earn a healthy paycheck doing a desk job for the rest of their lives. So refereeing must appeal to some, most former players would have at least some of the qualifications like the ability to skate like crazy for a full period at a time. The only problem is they'd have to start out at a very low level (and low income) and work their way up.

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How about George Parros as a ref?

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Not only could they, but they would automatically have respect from both coaches and players.

It's a great idea, but we will not likely see it because the NHL throws their officials under the bus way too often.

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Bill McCreary did it, so it is possible. Not feasible because of the tensions that player build with refs throughout their careers.
I don't think that "tensions" are really all that much of a factor. Most players get along fine with the refs, having worked alongside them for years and generally respecting each other's role in the league.

A bigger factor is that you don't just become an NHL ref overnight, there is a ladder to climb and a lot of training to absorb. You don't just start as a professional with zero experience. For someone with a long playing career, who is probably interested in getting off the road and enjoying a stable lifestyle, not many are going to see the appeal in taking abuse from house-league coaches in hopes of working their way up to an A-level minor league linesman job.

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yes it happens in Swiss.

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How about George Parros as a ref?
goons would be actually the best referees. they know everything about broke the rules.

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Theoretically they could, but it's not like you just sign up to be an NHL referee... these guys earn their place and work their way up.

Also, skating and positioning like a ref vs like a player are very different.

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Bill McCreary did it, so it is possible. Not feasible because of the tensions that player build with refs throughout their careers.
Make sure you are talking about the same Bill McCreary. The one who played for the Leafs was his cousin, I believe...

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Make sure you are talking about the same Bill McCreary. The one who played for the Leafs was his cousin, I believe...
That's probably explains why I could not find anything about him as a player.

Thanks.

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Maybe they technically can, but I've heard refs have to pay their dues at other levels before getting to be regular NHL refs. Most players also get so much money out of hockey and/or potential broadcasting or front office careers that there's no reason to be a ref.

I'm surprised there's no mention of conflict of interest either. I figured a former player turned referee could have potential for a huge conflict of interest.

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Once a player retires they still have the speed to catch up to plays. Players have good vision of the puck and was wondering is it possible a player like Crosby could become a ref one day?
This place is an asylum.

What exactly would make a player qualified to potentially be an official? Know the rules, good skater, good experience in lower level leagues, and more, correct??

Now why did you choose Crosby as an example? Couldn't you have chosen ANY NHL'er as an example?

Or.... would it be a prerequisite to have a high scoring forward, media darling, high visibility player from a consistent Stanley Cup contender apply for this job??

<I can't wait to hear the answer>

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Possible bias...and much more importantly...the perception of potential bias...should pretty much limit players from doing this
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I'm surprised there's no mention of conflict of interest either. I figured a former player turned referee could have potential for a huge conflict of interest.
We have an ex-player deciding who gets suspended and for how long, not sure how that's any more of a conflict of interest than an ex-player being a ref.

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