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07-18-2005, 08:58 PM
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Lindros to NYR from the Nordiques

Hardcore Ranger fan needed...

Back in '91, Lindros demanded the trade upon being drafted #1 by Quebec...

The Rangers had the best offer...but Quebec was demanding far too much -

does anyone recall the deal?

I recall Kovalev...Richter...a couple 1sts...millions....

Quebec wouldn't deal with New York.

In addition, I remember reading a fun article (maybe by TSN?) that had a "WHAT IF?" ...
Lindros winning cups in New York, Hart trophys, no head injuries, etc...
...What could have been with that guy.

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Hardcore Ranger fan needed...

Back in '91, Lindros demanded the trade upon being drafted #1 by Quebec...

The Rangers had the best offer...but Quebec was demanding far too much -

does anyone recall the deal?

I recall Kovalev...Richter...a couple 1sts...millions....

Quebec wouldn't deal with New York.

In addition, I remember reading a fun article (maybe by TSN?) that had a "WHAT IF?" ...
Lindros winning cups in New York, Hart trophys, no head injuries, etc...
...What could have been with that guy.
It was Vanbiesbrouck not Richter, and Quebec wanted to take the Rangers offer.

Moments before accepting that offer they had accepted the Flyers offer and it had to go to an arbitrater to decide where Lindros was traded to first, and it was determined a deal was made with the Flyers already.

If that deal was done the Rangers might not have won the cup in 94.

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07-18-2005, 09:11 PM
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I remember Richter, Kovalev, Beukeboom & picks. Back then i saved the article(NY Daily news i think) only to lose it years later, but i remember Richter, not Vanbies.

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07-18-2005, 09:16 PM
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I thought it was Beezer, Kovalev, Patrick, and Money? If anyone has Losing the Edge, it is discussed in there. Kovalev was huge in the 94 play-offs, but could you imagine what Lindros would have been like as a 2nd line center?

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07-18-2005, 09:58 PM
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Richter was definitly not part of that trade. I rember beezer patrick and cash not sure about other parts of the deal.

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I thought it was Beezer, Kovalev, Patrick, and Money? If anyone has Losing the Edge, it is discussed in there. Kovalev was huge in the 94 play-offs, but could you imagine what Lindros would have been like as a 2nd line center?
I believe the package included the Beezer, Kovalev, Doug Weight, Patrick, three #1 picks and cash. That's more comparable to the Flyers offer of Forsberg, Ricci, Duchesne, Hextall, Simon, Huffman, picks, and cash (keep in mind Duchesne was a good PP guy at the time, and Hextall was a recent Conn Smythe winner, Ricci was a recent HIGH draft pick).

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Amonte was part of the deal as well.

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I began this thread...

well done leetchie...

at the time, Richter v. Vanbiesbrock was the debate (Montoya v. Lundqvist)
-but thats another discussion..

so Richter or Vanbiesbrock + Kovalev + Doug Weight + Patrick + 2-3 1sts + Millions.

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It was Alexei Kovalev,Tony Amonte,Doug Weight,John Vanbiesbrouck,three first round picks spaced out over five years and $12 million.If VBK refused to report to Quebec,then the Rangers would have substituted James Patrick.The Rangers were also going to acquire Jacques Cloutier from Quebec

Marcel Aubut played the Rangers and Flyers to increase their offers.He struck a deal with both teams.The key was Aubut allowed the Flyers to speak with Eric Lindros and his dad plus his then agent Rick Curran.Aubut had said he would only allow a team to speak with Lindros if there was a deal in place and the Flyers wanted to make sure Lindros wanted to play for the Flyers before making the deal

The Rangers increased their offer after finding out the Flyers were close to landing Lindros.Aubut and Neil Smith agreed to the deal

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07-18-2005, 10:24 PM
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I think Ranger Boy has it. Sather Hater is right, if that trade happenned, Doug Weight doesnt bring back Esa, Amonte doesnt bring back Noonan and Matteau, and didnt they trade Beezer for Lidster before the expansion draft? No Cup in 94 if that deal happens.

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I think Ranger Boy has it. Sather Hater is right, if that trade happenned, Doug Weight doesnt bring back Esa, Amonte doesnt bring back Noonan and Matteau, and didnt they trade Beezer for Lidster before the expansion draft? No Cup in 94 if that deal happens.
The Rangers would have had a very good team.Lindros with Mark Messier at the age of 19.Adam Graves and Brian Leetch were 24 years old.Mike Richter was 26 years old.Sergei Zubov was about to join the Rangers.Mike Gartner.Sergei Nemchinov.Darren Turcotte.Tie Domi.Kris King.Jeff Beukeboom.James Patrick.Joey Kocur

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One thing that truly sticks out...

a 20 year old 3some of KOVALEV, AMONTE AND WEIGHT.....

That is truly amazing...a hart trophy winner with 50 goal upside...a power forward with 40 goal credentials...and one of the better two way play making centers in the game...

3 of the top 50 most productive players of the past DECADE.

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thought Leetch was part of the deal as well?

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07-18-2005, 10:42 PM
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Maybe we dont win the 94 cup, but Lindros would have set the stage for years worth of cup runs. He;s an easy guy to build a team around.

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Final Deal

...one last time...

TO NEW YORK:
ERIC LINDROS
JACQUES CLOUTIER

TO QUEBEC:
(3 OF THE FOLLOWING 4)
BRIAN LEETCH
ALEXEI KOVALEV
TONY AMONTE
DOUG WEIGHT

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JOHN VANBIESBROCK (***possibly Richter)
3 1ST ROUNDERS (92-Ferraro, 93-Sundstrom, 94-Cloutier, 95-Dube)
$12,000,000

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07-18-2005, 10:52 PM
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at the time i was like to bad they didn't get the rangers offer it seemed much better on paper, but then Forsburg had something to say about it(who in my opinion is a much better player going by career then Lindros).

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Leetch wasn't part of the deal it was patrick.

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Originally Posted by Sunshine
...one last time...

TO NEW YORK:
ERIC LINDROS
JACQUES CLOUTIER

TO QUEBEC:
(3 OF THE FOLLOWING 4)
BRIAN LEETCH
ALEXEI KOVALEV
TONY AMONTE
DOUG WEIGHT

+

JOHN VANBIESBROCK (***possibly Richter)
3 1ST ROUNDERS (92-Ferraro, 93-Sundstrom, 94-Cloutier, 95-Dube)
$12,000,000
Dube wasn't a 1st rounder

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Originally Posted by Sunshine
...one last time...

TO NEW YORK:
ERIC LINDROS
JACQUES CLOUTIER

TO QUEBEC:
(3 OF THE FOLLOWING 4)
BRIAN LEETCH
ALEXEI KOVALEV
TONY AMONTE
DOUG WEIGHT

+

JOHN VANBIESBROCK (***possibly Richter)
3 1ST ROUNDERS (92-Ferraro, 93-Sundstrom, 94-Cloutier, 95-Dube)
$12,000,000


Wouldn't have been worth it.

As a side note.... the Rangers could have had Tony Amonte and Doug Weight, but instead wanted Stephane Matteau, Esa Tikkanen, and Noonan?

I think I have to go with Amonte and Weight, there. Why were those deals made?

Pardon my total newbie-ism, but it was only the '94 Finals that sucked me into hockey (its been said, and its true, that the Rangers-Canucks finals that year were hockeys most exciting time in the last decade, and its true!), and since then I've been a sizeable fan of hockey, but I haven't been able to follow a lot of the minor leagues and much of the history.

For example, I am still scratching my head as to why Pavel Brendl didn't work out, and why Jamie Lundmark hasn't set the world on fire yet. Too much of a football fan, I guess, I'm used to top ten picks contributing immediately.

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Those deals were made to win us the cup. Without Noonan, Matteau, and Esa we probably don't.

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Big E in his prime in 93-94? Yea...the cup would have been coming to NY still, but it would have only taken 6 games in the finals.

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Those deals were made to win us the cup. Without Noonan, Matteau, and Esa we probably don't.

Why?

I was under the impression that Amonte and Weight were two of the best players of the 90s.

Is it because Noonan, Matteau, and Tikkanen were physical presences?

As far as I know, Tikkanen was mostly an instigator.

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Why?

I was under the impression that Amonte and Weight were two of the best players of the 90s.

Is it because Noonan, Matteau, and Tikkanen were physical presences?

As far as I know, Tikkanen was mostly an instigator.
Well then you apparently haven't seen the games... Matteau beat the devils in game 7, Esa played terrific in the playoffs, and Noonan was also very valuable. Weight and Amonte weren't there yet... Amonte was helpful, but Weight wasn't an impact guy.

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Well then you apparently haven't seen the games...

Admittedly so.

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AMonte and Weight were still raw talents, not even close to being what they turned out to be. The trades were made with a win now mentality. They got each of those guys, including McTavish, for a veteran, winning presence.

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