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09-28-2003, 06:58 PM
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Two more cuts to go

With today's cuts there are only two players left to cut.

Currently, the Stars are carrying 8 D and 15 F. One of each is likely to go.


Potential cuts at D:

John Erskine: solid, but not spectacular preseason. One-way contract and having to clear waivers may limit his chances of being cut.

Trevor Daley: excellent camp and preseason but has a two-way deal, and this is his first pro year. Likely to start in Utah because of that and the poor minutes he'd likely see with the Stars.


Potential cuts at F:

Claude Lemieux: needed to outperform youngsters and hasn't (partly due to a nagging injury).

Antti Miettinen: If he's a cut, it's just to get him more pro playing time. He's pretty much earned his spot.

Rob DiMaio: Sparkplug that might be in trouble due to quality youth but no failings of his own.

Manny Malhotra: Needs consistency and didn't show it in camp. Heavy contract complicates matters.

Steve Ott: See Miettinen.


If I were in Armstrong's shoes, I'd cut Lemieux without hesitation and send Daley to Utah to start. He'd be back in Dallas with an injury to a D (esp. Zubov or Numminen) or at the start of next season.

That leaves...
G: Turco, Tugnutt
D: Zubov, Numminen, Boucher, Matvichuk, Robidas, Erskine, Sweeney
F: Modano, Guerin, Morrow, Turgeon, Barnes, Young, Arnott, Kapanen, Lehtinen, Miettinen, Ott, Malhotra, DiMaio, Downey

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09-29-2003, 03:33 AM
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Nice breaek down, but who gets scratched, and who gets banished to the 4th line if Miettinen stays up? Barnes has seemed to click with Turgeon.........

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Daley to Utah for big minutes and Clod retires (after settlement)

As to who plays look for ever changing fourth line but Miets will be a third line regular with Kaps. Downey and Manny likeley sit the most unless Manny can be traded for something of value. At 1 mill plus he is expensive given his role here

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Daley to Utah for big minutes and Clod retires (after settlement)

As to who plays look for ever changing fourth line but Miets will be a third line regular with Kaps. Downey and Manny likeley sit the most unless Manny can be traded for something of value. At 1 mill plus he is expensive given his role here
I'd have no problem with moving Manny for whatever we can get for him. 2nd or 3rd round pick, 4th round pick.... who cares.

Malhotra deserves more than the Stars are going to be able to give him with 5 other centers on the roster. They should trade him to a team where he would get to play.

I don't agree that Miettinen automatically goes on the 3rd line. Its a nice warm fuzzy feeling to have a All-Finish Line, but if not putting them togeather would be better for the team, then thats what will have to be done.

I'm just not convinced that even having Antti in the line-up would be better than other lines we could but togeather.

Lehtinen-Modano-Guerin
Barnes-Turgeon-Arnott
Morrow-Kapanen-Young/DiMaio
Ott-Malhotra-Downey/DiMaio

or

Morrow-Modano-Guerin
Turgeon-Arnott-Young
Barnes-Kapanen-Lehtinen
Ott-Malhotra-DiMaio/Downey

All those lines are very well balanced. Each with a role in the scheme of things.

To effectively use our personel a Top 9 forward needs to go.

Turgeon would be my number one choice.
Then Young.
Then Arnott.

We have 8 top 6 forwards and 10 guys (including Miettinen) that should be on the top 3 lines. Something has to give, or we will be getting even less bang for our buck.

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09-29-2003, 06:53 AM
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I'd have no problem with moving Manny for whatever we can get for him. 2nd or 3rd round pick, 4th round pick.... who cares.

Malhotra deserves more than the Stars are going to be able to give him with 5 other centers on the roster. They should trade him to a team where he would get to play.

I don't agree that Miettinen automatically goes on the 3rd line. Its a nice warm fuzzy feeling to have a All-Finish Line, but if not putting them togeather would be better for the team, then thats what will have to be done.

I'm just not convinced that even having Antti in the line-up would be better than other lines we could but togeather.

Lehtinen-Modano-Guerin
Barnes-Turgeon-Arnott
Morrow-Kapanen-Young/DiMaio
Ott-Malhotra-Downey/DiMaio

or

Morrow-Modano-Guerin
Turgeon-Arnott-Young
Barnes-Kapanen-Lehtinen
Ott-Malhotra-DiMaio/Downey

All those lines are very well balanced. Each with a role in the scheme of things.

To effectively use our personel a Top 9 forward needs to go.

Turgeon would be my number one choice.
Then Young.
Then Arnott.

We have 8 top 6 forwards and 10 guys (including Miettinen) that should be on the top 3 lines. Something has to give, or we will be getting even less bang for our buck.
Antti will have the same or better impact that Niko had his first year. plus i have heard that they have very good chemistry together, so it wouldnt be just playing finns together for sh*ts and giggles.

i say let Ott play some good minutes in utah because his role here would be a fourth line energy player and he's alot more than that or at least will be alot more than that in the long run.

after this year young will be gone aswell as damiao most likely and then ott, and whoever will get there turn to play.

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So don't put all the Finns together.

Go Miettinen-Kapanen-Young.

The bottom line is that if he stays, Tippett probably won't break up those two. They've played marvelously together all preseason.

And I personally wish we could dump Arnott and/or Malhotra.

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09-29-2003, 09:08 AM
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So don't put all the Finns together.

Go Miettinen-Kapanen-Young.

The bottom line is that if he stays, Tippett probably won't break up those two. They've played marvelously together all preseason.

And I personally wish we could dump Arnott and/or Malhotra.
arnott is here for when modano slows down. young was brought in for turgeon but that never worked out, young has found something with modano but it looks like they wont keep that line together
(morrow-modano- lehts) after this season though youngs gone and turgeon will be on year closer to his contract being up or low enough to be bought out, but i think turgeon gets 70+ points this year, arnott will be the one struggeling,
antti and kappanen will play most the year if miettinen makes the team but i would want him on 2nd line with turgeon for more production and better ice time.

my lines

morrow-modano-young best line in playoffs
antti-turgeon-lehts lehts can make a hippo score a hat-trick
niko-arnott-guerin niko can play LW and do just as good
ott-barnes-damiao best fourth line in hockey

arnott and guerin(especially) would switch with young and still get good minutes so its not like im demoting him to 3rd line because he sucks. i acctually think he would fair better with that line. that is just a sweet line.

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Antti will have the same or better impact that Niko had his first year. plus i have heard that they have very good chemistry together, so it wouldnt be just playing finns together for sh*ts and giggles.

i say let Ott play some good minutes in utah because his role here would be a fourth line energy player and he's alot more than that or at least will be alot more than that in the long run.

after this year young will be gone aswell as damiao most likely and then ott, and whoever will get there turn to play.
Sure Miettinen might have as big a impact as Kapanen, but at what expense? Turgeon is bound to do poorly when/if he plays the wing. Barnes is so much better than a 4th line player and PK specialist. Barnes and Turgeon could give us a damned good second line AND we would still have a great 3rd line with 3 of Kapanen, Lehtinen, DiMaio, Morrow, Young.

Reason why I'd like to see Ott up here is because he has already spent a stint in Utah, and his game fits a 4th line type of player.

As for Arnott, I'd be happy to see him go. We would be able to find a decent replacement for Modano via trade or Free Agency. That would let us have 4 good lines, with the appropriate players used to thier fullest.

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my lines

morrow-modano-young best line in playoffs
antti-turgeon-lehts lehts can make a hippo score a hat-trick
niko-arnott-guerin niko can play LW and do just as good
ott-barnes-damiao best fourth line in hockey
Its a really balanced team,up and down the line, but none of the lines would be really defensively sound. Ott does not seem to have the defensive instincts to make the 4th line your primary checking line.

Bill Guerin and Arnott won't make a great defensive combo either.

The only one that might be great defensively is the first line..........

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antti and kappanen will play most the year if miettinen makes the team but i would want him on 2nd line with turgeon for more production and better ice time.
More ice time does not necessarily equal better production if the players don't have chemistry. Kapanen and Miettinen have insane chemistry. You just don't mess with that. Hell, Daley (who is as talented as the come) said watching Niko and Antti was like watching the Harlem Globetrotters play.

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niko-arnott-guerin niko can play LW and do just as good
I disagree. He may be able to play LW, but he's way more effective at center. It allows him to make better use of his speed, acceleration, and agility.

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Niko is a prototypical lower 6 centre, and looks pretty awful on the wings while he looks pretty good in the middle.

 
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I'm hoping Miettinen makes it, he's good enough, hence, he might already be better then Kapanen at this point.

With the MAG line:

Mike Modano - Jason Arnott - Bill Guerin
Brenden Morrow - Pierre Turgeon - Scott Young
Antti Miettinen - Niko Kapanen - Jere Lehtinen
Steve Ott - Stu Barnes - Rob DiMaio

Without the new top line:

Pierre Turgeon - Mike Modano - Scott Young
Brenden Morrow - Jason Arnott - Bill Guerin
Antti Miettinen - Niko Kapanen - Jere Lehtinen
Steve Ott - Stu Barnes - Rob DiMaio

No matter how you twist it. The Finnish line is a lock if it were up to me. As is Morrow used as a scoring forward and the same goes for the 4th line.

Also, I love Daley and he might be better then lots of NHL'ers already, the fact remains he has yet to play professional hockey and even though he has outplayed his entire competition for 2 straight training camps, it could interfere or prevent him from developing properly. Much less when you realise we urgently need a physical force down low. John Erskine has been praised as a Hatcher clone ever since he got drafted. Let him prove it. Don't judge him because he isn't as flashy or because he fell victim to the Stars defensive depth in the past. He already has some kind of experience, and is everything we wished for with Hatcher gone.

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ive been to 3 preseason games so far and what i can say about this is that:
1. Miettenen looks like he could potentially be better than lehtinen, and imo is better than kapenen.
2. Daley deserves to make this team. Erskin played like crap in all the games. Daley was much better.
3. Lemeuix played much better than last year. I think he has recovered from the injury he had last year. That being said, i dont see a spot for him on this team. The least skilled player we have is Downey but they won't cut him.
my lines are:
morrow-modano-guerin
Barnes-arnott-young
miettenen-kapenen-lehtinen(that took some looking up to get right)
ott/downey-malhotra-turgeon/downy
zubov-nummenin
boucher-matvichuk
sweeney/daley-robidas
(robidas is very underrated imo)

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