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10-22-2013, 12:42 PM
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Stephen Weiss and Brendan Smith for Edler
Sorry but that package wont get you Edler, And there is no way were going to trade Weiss after just acquiring him. And I believe that Smith was part of a package that was turned down for Edler over the summer.

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10-22-2013, 05:19 PM
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He's really an all around player, but yes he's a more than capable playmaker.

I would be all over that Bieksa for Plekanec move. Love Plek's game. He'd give us center roster flexibility like no other - capable of centering his own 2nd line and moving Kesler to wing or could move to wing himself (though I think Kesler's better there).

Again, I doubt Bieksa is moved or waives his NTC even though he is an obvious piece to move for VAN. He has also been playing very well this season - and I say that as not one of his biggest fans. Its over a 10 game stretch but this is the steadiest Bieksa I've seen.
This is how I feel too, except I am one of Bieksa's biggest fans haha.

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10-22-2013, 06:42 PM
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2nd line center hasn't been a problem...

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10-22-2013, 07:14 PM
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Not exactly a 2nd line centre, but does Mark Arcobello from the Oilers interest you? Once Gagner becomes healthy of course.

He is 5'9, undrafted, 25 years old. He's been playing in the AHL since finishing College at Yale. In the 2012-2013 season he posted 68 points in 74 GP for the OKC Barons in the AHL, and 14 points in 17 playoff games.

He has 8 points (all assists) in 9 games so far, and is 59% in the faceoff circle. He's filled in VERY well for Gagner, he's good defensively, a bit feisty, and is very smart. His value probably isn't very high, I'm guessing a mid round pick or something similar. I think he'll turn out to be a good 2nd line C in the NHL.

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10-22-2013, 07:56 PM
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Not exactly a 2nd line centre, but does Mark Arcobello from the Oilers interest you? Once Gagner becomes healthy of course.

He is 5'9, undrafted, 25 years old. He's been playing in the AHL since finishing College at Yale. In the 2012-2013 season he posted 68 points in 74 GP for the OKC Barons in the AHL, and 14 points in 17 playoff games.

He has 8 points (all assists) in 9 games so far, and is 59% in the faceoff circle. He's filled in VERY well for Gagner, he's good defensively, a bit feisty, and is very smart. His value probably isn't very high, I'm guessing a mid round pick or something similar. I think he'll turn out to be a good 2nd line C in the NHL.
We are already fulfilling our quota for Tiny Tikmon skates-type players

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Not exactly a 2nd line centre, but does Mark Arcobello from the Oilers interest you? Once Gagner becomes healthy of course.

He is 5'9, undrafted, 25 years old. He's been playing in the AHL since finishing College at Yale. In the 2012-2013 season he posted 68 points in 74 GP for the OKC Barons in the AHL, and 14 points in 17 playoff games.

He has 8 points (all assists) in 9 games so far, and is 59% in the faceoff circle. He's filled in VERY well for Gagner, he's good defensively, a bit feisty, and is very smart. His value probably isn't very high, I'm guessing a mid round pick or something similar. I think he'll turn out to be a good 2nd line C in the NHL.
Haha. Good one. The Canucks have their own AHL team now so don't need more AHL players like this Arcobello person.

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10-22-2013, 08:58 PM
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Nope. Horvat is not available and I do not see why Montreal would even want him. The whole reason Plekanec could be available is the logjam at centre. Of the prospects in our cupboard, Horvat, Shinkaruk and Corrado will not be traded.
On paper we have a logjam at centre

In reality we have a potential future #1C (Galchenyuk) #2aC (Plekanec) #2bC (Eller) and then #4C (White) #5C (DD) #6C (Briere)...

Glaring need for a #3 centre if we dealt Pleks IMO

Maybe Bournival could fill that spot otherwsie I don't see anyone else in the system, in the next couple of years anyways - maybe De La Rose or Vail down the road - or maybe moons line up with Jupiter and LL finds his game

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10-23-2013, 01:33 AM
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Desharnais and 2nd pick in 2015 for Hansen
Desharnais has negative value and Hansen is worth more than a 2nd. Especially in 2015..
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I'd do a Pleks+ for Tanev & Horvat


Maybe someone like Collberg to play with his countrymen?
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Plekanec for Ryan Kesler straight up

Plekanec for Edler and random prospect
Kesler >>> Plekanec

Edler >>> Plekanec.

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10-23-2013, 01:41 AM
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Hell no

Honestly call me crazy but I'd actually look at at Pleks+Collberg for Horvat+Tanev trade, though it doesn't work salary wise. But wouldn't touch Kesler or Edler for Pleks.

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Honestly call me crazy but I'd actually look at at Pleks+Collberg for Horvat+Tanev trade, though it doesn't work salary wise. But wouldn't touch Kesler or Edler for Pleks.
So Tanev and Schneider for Pleks? Pass. Not even close.

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So Tanev and Schneider for Pleks? Pass. Not even close.
Tanev and Schneider for Plekanec and Collberg. Collberg is an interesting prospect, I've been a fan of his since his draft year, I see him as a comparable to Shinkaruk in terms of prospect status. I'd at least look at it.

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I wouldn't care much for a 2C. I rather just do good in the draft this year and then give Horvat a shot at that 2C next season.

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Kesler >>> Plekanec

Edler >>> Plekanec.
It's a fair bit closer than you're making it out to be. And really? You wouldn't deal Horvat and a Tanev for Plekanec? I get that Horvat has potential but his ceiling is basically a Plekanec type player.

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Even though he's our "#1" center, take Tyler Bozak for free, please.

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It's a fair bit closer than you're making it out to be.
I agree, but both deals would be lateral movement for Vancouver.

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Take Tyler Bozak for free please.
No thank you

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Ryan O'Reilly remains the most underrated player on this forum.

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Sure, but that still doesn't give Vancouver any reason to move Alex Edler for him. Would you move Brent Burns(when he was a D-Man) for ROR?

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Sure, but that still doesn't give Vancouver any reason to move Alex Edler for him. Would you move Brent Burns(when he was a D-Man) for ROR?
I may have when he was a defenseman. Only tentatively because we really needed the D-man at the time and had a log-jam of centers. I'm in the camp that thinks Burns is two times better as a forward, so I wouldn't now.

But if I had two other stud top-pairing LHD (Hamhuis and Garrison) and a lack of young centers, I would easily pull the trigger.

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I may have when he was a defenseman. Only tentatively because we really needed the D-man at the time and had a log-jam of centers. I'm in the camp that thinks Burns is two times better as a forward, so I wouldn't now.

But if I had two other stud top-pairing LHD (Hamhuis and Garrison) and a lack of young centers, I would easily pull the trigger.
We may have two very solid LHD's but without Edler Vancouver's D loses it only pure offensive threat, Edler leads the highest scoring D tandem in the league. Despite the small sample size Edler looks like an improved player in Torts system, he hasn't looked this good since his back injuries. Edler is also signed long term to a cheaper deal than ROR. Vancouver already has H.Sedin and Kesler down the middle, and your comment about lacking young centres is false we currently have Bo Horvat, Brendan Gaunce and Jordan Schroeder in the system. At the very least one of those guys will crack the roster next season.

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We may have two very solid LHD's but without Edler Vancouver's D loses it only pure offensive threat, Edler leads the highest scoring D tandem in the league. Despite the small sample size Edler looks like an improved player in Torts system, he hasn't looked this good since his back injuries. Edler is also signed long term to a cheaper deal than ROR. Vancouver already has H.Sedin and Kesler down the middle, and your comment about lacking young centres is false we currently have Bo Horvat, Brendan Gaunce and Jordan Schroeder in the system. At the very least one of those guys will crack the roster next season.
I haven't really watched the Canucks much this season outside of the two Sharks games where Marleau made Edler his personal pylon on several occasions, so I'll take your word. And Edler's offensive abilities relative to the rest of your defense's offensive abilities is a good point.

But the premise of this thread is Kesler staying on Henrik's wing. Am I supposed to get excited about Jordan Schroeder or Brendan Gaunce? Schroeder will have a Kyle Wellwood type of career (top-6 or bust, so mostly jumping around from bad team to bad team as a temporary fix) and Gaunce will never have the offense to be a top-6 player on a good team. Horvat's exciting, but he's also a huge question mark.

Besides, you guys are the ones that asked about O'Reilly, it's not like Avs fans tried to push him on you. Every team in the league should be trying to acquire O'Reilly.

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Sam Gagner for Schneider would've made sense for both teams. Too late now...

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Haha. Good one. The Canucks have their own AHL team now so don't need more AHL players like this Arcobello person.
Only one Canuck has more points at this point than this 'Acobello person,' so yeah, complete trash, I guess.

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So Tanev and Schneider for Pleks? Pass. Not even close.
So when someone proposes a trade for Kassian are they trading for Zach or Cody Hodgson?

If you're expecting someone to pay more for Horvat to compensate for MGs incompetence I think you'll be waiting a while

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It's a fair bit closer than you're making it out to be. And really? You wouldn't deal Horvat and a Tanev for Plekanec? I get that Horvat has potential but his ceiling is basically a Plekanec type player.
No. No way.

I don't like assessing talented young forward prospects value like that. I like Plekanec a lot (I think that Kesler comparable is much closer than was posted) but while he may never be as good as Plekanec (personally doubt it - actually pretty similar games aside from Horvat's extra bulk), Horvat can also become a top line center. The Canucks need that potential for after the Sedins as much as they need anything.

"A Tanev" really undermines his true value. Two games straight(D corps fully healthy), he's played on the 2nd pairing with Hamhuis as a shutdown player (the two of them got the most short-handed time as well). He's literally taking minutes from high-quality Dmen and looking great doing it. I think people are still underestimating his potential - IMO there is a very good chance his career looks a lot like Hamhuis'.

Now, the Canucks have another high-quality NHL ready RHD prospect in Corrado (he's shown well in multiple NHL games - Canucks have him getting top minutes in AHL instead of 10-15 a game in NHL) that I would be willing to trade with something else for Pleks.

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