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07-18-2005, 09:52 PM
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Their Donington Park: the clutch games by superstar

At Donington, European GP 1993, Senna in an inferior car (MacLaren with a lousy Ford engine) started from 6th with the superior Wililams Renaults of Prost and Damon Hill in front of him. By the end of the first lap in light rain, he led everyone and at the end of the race nearly lapped the field. You had witnessed a stunning performance including a first lap that became known in racing parlance as the "lap of the gods" (google search the lap if you want to see it).

In terms of hockey there are similar moments of high performance. You need a superior opponent and a truly stunning performance even by the high standards of a superstar. Invariably this means the playoffs.

For Lafleur its well known for the wrong reason (the "too many men game").
Against the mighty Bruins, a worthy opponent and essentially a 7th game for the Cup, down 1-3 at almost midway through the 3rd against the tight checking Bruins, Guy refused to let the Habs dynasty lose. He scored a goal (the famous one) and had 2 assists (true set ups), in the dying moments. And then almost scored again with a few seconds left before overtime.

In overtime he exhausted the Bruins with rush after rush. Truly a mesmerizing performance (the Globe and Mail called it a "bravura peformance").

How does it stack up against 99's Donington moment? what is that btw? And dont mention the lousy Maple Leaves of 93.

Or for Mario?

Or Gordie? Or Rocket or Jean or Orr?

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now...marios may not have came in the playoffs...but 5 goals in one game in 5 different ways (PP, SH, PS, ES, EN) is no task that was every accomplished before and probably will never be accomplished again.


i would say waynes was a certain night in the 1981-1982 season....right around game 39 when he scored 5 goals to cap off his 50 goals in 39 games feat



both of these records will stand the test of time...IMO

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Kirk McLean in every single game he played in the Cup finals in 1994

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umm.. ya, but kirk mclean was not a superstar.


btw, i am having problem finding "lap of the gods"

i got these results. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...of+the+gods%22

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Bernie Parent, Game 6 of the 1974 Stanley Cup Finals against Boston was phenomenal. Textbook goaltending. A save, late in the third against Ken Hodge, is one for the ages.

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umm.. ya, but kirk mclean was not a superstar.


btw, i am having problem finding "lap of the gods"

i got these results. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...of+the+gods%22
Video and description:

http://www.farzadsf1gallery.com/features/donin93.html

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Bernie Parent, Game 6 of the 1974 Stanley Cup Finals against Boston was phenomenal. Textbook goaltending. A save, late in the third against Ken Hodge, is one for the ages.
Reminds me of an old saying: "Only Jesus saves more than Bernie Parent"

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now...marios may not have came in the playoffs...but 5 goals in one game in 5 different ways (PP, SH, PS, ES, EN) is no task that was every accomplished before and probably will never be accomplished again.


i would say waynes was a certain night in the 1981-1982 season....right around game 39 when he scored 5 goals to cap off his 50 goals in 39 games feat



both of these records will stand the test of time...IMO
I'd have to agree onboth games; both showed complete and utter domination.

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Reminds me of an old saying: "Only Jesus saves more than Bernie Parent"
And in Boston it was "Jesus saves, Espo scores on the rebound." ... not that year.

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Bernie Parent, Game 6 of the 1974 Stanley Cup Finals against Boston was phenomenal. Textbook goaltending. A save, late in the third against Ken Hodge, is one for the ages.
That is my all-time favorite save. A shame you'll never ee a goalie make that type of save again. The true kicksave, a lost art.

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I think Ken Dryden's 1971 playoff series against either Boston or Chicago can be considered historic. Take game 7 against Chicago or pick one against Boston. Like Roy, he defined a carreer as a rookie.

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At Donington, European GP 1993, Senna in an inferior car (MacLaren with a lousy Ford engine) started from 6th with the superior Wililams Renaults of Prost and Damon Hill in front of him. By the end of the first lap in light rain, he led everyone and at the end of the race nearly lapped the field. You had witnessed a stunning performance including a first lap that became known in racing parlance as the "lap of the gods" (google search the lap if you want to see it).

In terms of hockey there are similar moments of high performance. You need a superior opponent and a truly stunning performance even by the high standards of a superstar. Invariably this means the playoffs.

For Lafleur its well known for the wrong reason (the "too many men game").
Against the mighty Bruins, a worthy opponent and essentially a 7th game for the Cup, down 1-3 at almost midway through the 3rd against the tight checking Bruins, Guy refused to let the Habs dynasty lose. He scored a goal (the famous one) and had 2 assists (true set ups), in the dying moments. And then almost scored again with a few seconds left before overtime.

In overtime he exhausted the Bruins with rush after rush. Truly a mesmerizing performance (the Globe and Mail called it a "bravura peformance").

How does it stack up against 99's Donington moment? what is that btw? And dont mention the lousy Maple Leaves of 93.

Or for Mario?

Or Gordie? Or Rocket or Jean or Orr?
Congratulations to 2005's troll of the year.......

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Mark Messier's guarantee against the Devils in 1994. Guarantee a win, score 3 goals to ensure it. Pretty impressive.

Wayne Gretzky's hat trick in a 5-4 win to eliminate the Maple Leafs and put the Kings in to the Stanley Cup Final in 1993.

Game 4 of the 1996 Stanley Cup Final, Patrick Roy kicks out 63 shots for a shutout victory to complete the sweep of the Florida Panthers. The game went to 3 overtimes at 0-0 before Uwe Krupp scored the winner. Roy ran his career overtime record to 28-7 at the time.

April 25, 1989 in a playoff game versus the Flyers Mario Lemieux scores 5 goals and adds 3 assists to tie Patrick Sundstrom for the record for most points in a playoff game AND tie Newsy Lalonde, Darryl Sittler, Rocket Richard and Reggie Leach for most goals in a single playoff game. 4 goals came in the first period.

In 1985 Paul Coffey scored a goal and had 5 assists to set a record for most points by a defenceman in one playoff game with 6. In the same series with the Blackhawks, his teammate Jari Kurri score 12 goals in 6 games (including 3 hat tricks) as the Oilers eliminated the Hawks to advance to the Stanley Cup Finals.

In 1988 Wayne Gretzky sets the record for most points (13) and most assists (10)in a Stanley Cup Finals series in a sweep of the Boston Bruins. He would finish the playoffs with 43 points in 19 games.


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And in Boston it was "Jesus saves, Espo scores on the rebound." ... not that year.
Yeah but I've heard loads of variations of the rebound one, but the Parent one is the only one like that I've ever heard. Plus as a Habs fan I always enjoy the Bruins losing.

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Mark Messier's guarantee against the Devils in 1994. Guarantee a win, score 3 goals to ensure it. Pretty impressive.
Just to nit-pick: it was game 6, Rangers down 3 games to 2 and the game was in NJ. And Messier scored all three in the third. And the Rangers had trailed at the end of the previous two periods.

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Just to nit-pick: it was game 6, Rangers down 3 games to 2 and the game was in NJ. And Messier scored all three in the third. And the Rangers had trailed at the end of the previous two periods.
... and he was probably only the 3rd best Ranger on the ice that night.

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For Grant Fuhr I'd have to say Game 2 in the '87 Canada Cup final vs. the Soviets. If you want to see clutch goaltending then watch that game. Even in OT, Krutov, Kamensky, Kasatonov all had sure goals taken away from them. Furh was solid. Another guy named Wayne had a great game that night too, with five assists.

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For Grant Fuhr I'd have to say Game 2 in the '87 Canada Cup final vs. the Soviets. If you want to see clutch goaltending then watch that game. Even in OT, Krutov, Kamensky, Kasatonov all had sure goals taken away from them. Furh was solid. Another guy named Wayne had a great game that night too, with five assists.
Uh oh.

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Uh oh.

Acknowledging that Oilers players were great opens you up to chooch's wrath.

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now who's the troll?

99 was a superb playmaker in that series. It was the deadliest combo in hockey history.

Not sure why but by 1987, 99 was on the downward slope at 26 as a goal scorer. He didnt score more than 40 goals the last 12 years of his career (save for 1 year). BUt he was a great playmaker with the xtra room he was afforded. Lets call a spade a spade.

And his game 2 (or 3) in 87 Canada Cup finals might be his finest moment as a player.

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... and he was probably only the 3rd best Ranger on the ice that night.
Yeah Richter and Kovalev were brilliant that night. So was Doug Lidster who replaced an injured Beukeboom and paired with Leetch.

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now who's the troll?

99 was a superb playmaker in that series. It was the deadliest combo in hockey history.

Not sure why but by 1987, 99 was on the downward slope at 26 as a goal scorer. He didnt score more than 40 goals the last 12 years of his career (save for 1 year). BUt he was a great playmaker with the xtra room he was afforded. Lets call a spade a spade.

And his game 2 (or 3) in 87 Canada Cup finals might be his finest moment as a player.
In 1987 Gretzky scored 62 goals not 26. Gretzky CHOSE to be a great playmaker he could easily have chosen to be the best goal scorer. That is Gretzky's style, he would rather set up teammates than score the goals himself. He is class to the end.

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Messier's, 'guarantee' game was certainly a great moment but, IMO, not the best game of his career.

The quintessential Messier moment was game four vs. Chicago in the conference finals, '90. Not only did he rack up 2 goals (including one he scored while being sticked in the throat) and 2 assists, but he was a nasty, dirty physical force all night. Larmer, Savard, Roenick, Wilson. . .any Blackhawk that posed a threat to the Oilers got sticked or elbowed.

The Oilers were down 2 to 1 to Chi-Town before that game. They only lost one the rest of the way, en route to the Cup.

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In 1987 Gretzky scored 62 goals not 26. Gretzky CHOSE to be a great playmaker he could easily have chosen to be the best goal scorer. That is Gretzky's style, he would rather set up teammates than score the goals himself. He is class to the end.
Actually Chooch meant that Gretzky was 26 not scored 26 goals. Gretzky didn't choose anything. He was always a great playmaker and stayed that way. But as he got older his scoring totals decreased and that's normal but you always want to make it sound like he's god or something.

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Actually Chooch meant that Gretzky was 26 not scored 26 goals. Gretzky didn't choose anything. He was always a great playmaker and stayed that way. But as he got older his scoring totals decreased and that's normal but you always want to make it sound like he's god or something.
In 1981-82 the man scored 92 and had 120 assists. In 1985-86 he changed his game slightly and scored 52 while setting up 163 others. He CHOSE to be a playmaker rather than the goal scorer he CHOSE to be early in his career.

Gretzky led the league in assists 2 of his 3 years as a RANGER!

If Gretzky wanted to be more of a pure goal scorer he would have been. He was a playmaker.

Gretzky was not a god, he was simply the most dominant hockey player to ever take the ice.

chooch simply meant to discredit Gretzky. The thing he realizes is that with every post he discredits himself, not Gretzky.

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In 1981-82 the man scored 92 and had 120 assists. In 1985-86 he changed his game slightly and scored 52 while setting up 163 others. He CHOSE to be a playmaker rather than the goal scorer he CHOSE to be early in his career.

Gretzky led the league in assists 2 of his 3 years as a RANGER!

If Gretzky wanted to be more of a pure goal scorer he would have been. He was a playmaker.

Gretzky was not a god, he was simply the most dominant hockey player to ever take the ice.

chooch simply meant to discredit Gretzky. The thing he realizes is that with every post he discredits himself, not Gretzky.


Gretzky was a defensive liability the last 12 years of his career. No serious team wanted him and while Messier was still winning cups, 99 was hanging at the opposing blueline waiting for an outlet pass.

btw his speed and shot were gone by 26 (thats years of age). After that he relied on McSorley and Bettman (think that thru) to give him room on the ice for those cute flip passes late in the game of another Rangers loss. Maybe if he played a little more defense he'd be more respected as a player.

I give him his due: he was along with Savard the best offensive player of the western conference. Denis on the Oilers great offensive teams and with protection would have hit for 200 points too. Mario might have gone 100 goals and 200 assist a year.

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