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07-19-2005, 12:17 AM
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Jari Viuhkola

Viuhkola is Chicagos pick. He is ready to move into NHL, but I've heard that Chicago doesn't need a young center and they would sell him elswhere. Any idea where?

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I really don't think you're understanding just how high the level of NHL competition is my friend.

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I really don't think you're understanding just how high the level of NHL competition is my friend.
Why do you think that?

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Viuhkola won't make the Blackhawks. Sorry.

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I saw him play twice last year and here are here are the reason why he will not mkae the the nhl(let alone the hawks)

1)can't play away from the park and pick his spots

2)even though he has spead---in the NHL(even in the NWO) he does not have the type of spead that NHL teams need

3)Soft---not the good kind of soft the Euros can get away with in the NHL

4)Small--at 26 he is still 165 soaking wet--he could not put up with the wear and tear of the NHL

5)Look at his goals and point total--he has done nothing to put himself on the radar

http://www.joyofhockey.com/xVJariViuhkola.html

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php3?pid=49094

he had one fair season and that was it

here is what is from the hawks themsleves
http://chicagoblackhawks.com/display_cont.asp?cont_id=242710

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I really don't think you're understanding just how high the level of NHL competition is my friend.
I'd guess that he has a whole lot more knowledge about the level of NHL than you have about the finnish league. So he should be able to compare the two.

I don't think Viuhkola will join the hawks either, but he could possibly make it in some team. Just for your information, he would not exactly be the first finnish player to move from finnish league to the NHL...

In my opinion he is a bit too soft. But he is a good two way forward.

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he had one fair season and that was it
Jari Viuhkola

2003-04 Karpat FNL 53 games 25g 31a 56p

Tuomo Ruutu

2002-03 HIFK Helsinki FNL 30games 12g 15a 27p


Not that I like to compare, Ruutu is a far better player, but you can't just look at the stats and call Viuhkola a dud.

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Mmmm

lets looks at there age!!!!!!

the first guy is a few years older

and we have almost 8 years of stats on the boy and

oh yeah

I HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN HIM PLAY

you may have missed that part of the post

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Fine by me if you don't want him. :-) We are more than happy to keep him here at Oulu. I wouldn't judge him by the points from last season. He had a nasty injury in the middle of season which kept him away for a long time. Before that injury he was our best player by points. After the injury, he played excelent playoffs by being the most important player (together with goalie Bäckström) when Karpat secured their second finnish league championship in a row.

I can pick few players, that you might also know, who played last year in finnish league: Michael Nylander, Mike Ribeiro and Saku Koivu. In my oppion Viuhkola at best was better than any of those at their best last year. I saw several games from all of them. Nylander was even in our team. If those NHL players repusent somehow the average level of NHL or even a bit over average, I think Viuhkola would have a good chance to make a career in NHL.

Few positive sides about him as a player:
- Team player
- True playmaker. Excelent eye for the game. He can read the game very well and excelent assists. Together with chek Petr Tenkrat Viuhkola was the best pair in finnish league last year. And year before that. While Viuhkola was injured, Tenkrat was also lost.
- Doesn't lose the puck. He can keep the puck for a long time and calms the game. Very dangerous in offensive zone with the puck.
- Excelent player when the other team is on powerplay.

Few negative sides:
- Rather slow. This effects more here in Finland becouse the ring is bigger.
- Little inconsitent. Might play 2 or 3 games in a row by being pretty invisible.

Now there is a big fuss about Jussi Jokinen moving to Dallas next year. He is considered as a best young player in Finnish league today. Still, most of the fans of Karpat would rather keep Viuhkola than Jokinen.

Btw, sorry about my english. :-)

Edit: And when it comes to Tuomu Ruuttu. At least when they played in finnish league together there wasn't that big difference. Although Tuomo had a bit bigger role in his team back then.


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What seperates the two is that Ruutu has what I would call the ESA TIKANEN gene is his body

and that is sometimes a big thing to have

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I HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN HIM PLAY
Yeah, twice. Wonder why you haven't written a book about him already with all that insight.

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Edit: And when it comes to Tuomu Ruuttu. At least when they played in finnish league together there wasn't that big difference. Although Tuomo had a bit bigger role in his team back then.
There is the age difference which is a big thing. If Ruutu would have stayed in the finnish league one more year, he would have been even more dominant than Viuhkola was, and at younger age. Ruutu is superior, but Viuhkola should be able to play on the NHL level, maybe in a 3rd line role in a below average team (hawks?).He could be a PK specialist and play some effective 3rd line hockey.

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Jari Viuhkola 165pounds at 26 years?The correct stats are 25 years 183cm 90kg thats 6" and 200 pounds

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one site I went to had him born in 1980 so by the end of next seaon he will be 26

and I have two sites saying he is 6 feet tall and being 165 and 170 pounds

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Personally, I hope the Hawks bring him over for camp. With how things have been around here for the last decade, I don't believe we should leave any stone unturned. Maybe he can play. Perhaps in Nichol's spot...without the stupid penalties.

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Kärpät homepages says 90kg, Jatkoaika says 91kg and Jääkiekko-lehti 91kg.
Hes born 27.2.80 so hes 25 years old and a good player IMO.

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one site I went to had him born in 1980 so by the end of next seaon he will be 26

and I have two sites saying he is 6 feet tall and being 165 and 170 pounds
Great sources. Almost as great as making definite judgements based on two games - vs. the opinions of those who've seen him play for years. And yes, have followed the NHL for years.

"Piku" is a serviceable 3rd/4th line center for any mid-level team. What you see is what you get with Viuhkola - he's a sure bet rather than a prospect might be anything from a total bust to a superstar. I'm predicting modest success in the NHL for Viuhkola a'la Pirnes, Kapanen et al.

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does not have the edge that some finns do

he will not be an nhlers

no legit site says he will

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BTW

I player major JR hockey in Canada from the age of 15 to 18(when my knee got blown out on lowblow in Swift current)

The level of hockey that he plays at--he would have had trouble at that level of hockey--let alone at the NHL level

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I player major JR hockey in Canada from the age of 15 to 18(when my knee got blown out on lowblow in Swift current)

The level of hockey that he plays at--he would have had trouble at that level of hockey--let alone at the NHL level
You had seen what, 2 games? Which games those were? I pretty much agree with Flonaldo about Viuhkola's NHL chances.

But back to my orignal question. Chicago is selling his player rights to someone else. Who??

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"Piku" is a serviceable 3rd/4th line center for any mid-level team. What you see is what you get with Viuhkola - he's a sure bet rather than a prospect might be anything from a total bust to a superstar. I'm predicting modest success in the NHL for Viuhkola a'la Pirnes, Kapanen et al.
I think Kapanen is better than these two guys, but Viuhkola could be on the level of Pirnes in NHL, yes. Now, some might say that's not worth bringing a guy over for. I suppose it depends on what type of lower line players the team and the coach wants to use.

For Jeff, Chicago will not "sell" his rights, I'm sure they'd trade him for something if some other teams would approach them. And for the speed not making such a big difference in smaller rinks, I don't really buy that. It's easier for defenseman to catch a slower forward when there isn't as much space.

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he will not be an nhlers

no legit site says he will

I player major JR hockey in Canada from the age of 15 to 18(when my knee got blown out on lowblow in Swift current)

The level of hockey that he plays at--he would have had trouble at that level of hockey--let alone at the NHL level
Those are the same legit sites that list him at 165lbs? The same sites where the writers have seen him probably even less than you have?

Your posts make me wonder whether you're legit or just a troll. Were you paying much attention to Viuhkola when you were watching the two games? Doesn't look like it with you claiming he's 165lbs...

If I were you, I'd give a little more credit to the Finnish guys here who've seen him play dozens of games over the years at different levels, and know the level of NHL play at least as well as you do.

Your junior hockey comment is... well, I can't seem to find the words to describe it. I'm sure Canada will bring an OHL squad next time to the World Championships to dominate the tournament. Seeing how 16yo:s would perform way better at that level than legit NHL stars...

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About young centers, anyone hasn't heard anything about bringing over swedish center Jonas Nordquist to the states this season? But if they don't want a young center like Viuhkola they maybe don't want Nordquist either. . .

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About young centers, anyone hasn't heard anything about bringing over swedish center Jonas Nordquist to the states this season? But if they don't want a young center like Viuhkola they maybe don't want Nordquist either. . .
Their loss (maybe). But I don´t seea reason why every top European player would have to try his wings on the other side of the ocean.

Back to Viuhkola. He´s a perfect player for European games. I´m not sure how he could adapt to North American hockey and claim a spot in the roster. I see him as an attacking center so playing him in the 3rd or 4th line would be waste of talent. Not all skillful Europeans are given a chance in the big league.

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Jari Viuhkola

2003-04 Karpat FNL 53 games 25g 31a 56p

Tuomo Ruutu

2002-03 HIFK Helsinki FNL 30games 12g 15a 27p


Not that I like to compare, Ruutu is a far better player, but you can't just look at the stats and call Viuhkola a dud.
comparing ruutu to anyone is like comparing 06 draftee to forsberg... u just cant do it

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