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12-05-2013, 01:10 PM
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What a friggen night in Detroit. Good for the kid.

Lavy can suck it.

Wearing my Couts shirt proud in DC today.

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12-05-2013, 01:21 PM
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Figures Seravalli was one of the misguided ones....

So glad Lavi was canned before he did more damage...


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Iíll be the first to admit that I thought it might have been wise for Paul Holmgren to explore Couturierís trade value last summer. If he didnít start scoring, or at least show glimpses of the offensive player we saw in the 2012 playoffs, his value might have soon plummeted. Strong defensive players donít grow on trees, but there are reliable guys out there with half the value and half the salary. His defense seemed to wane in last yearís lockout-shortened season.

It seems thatís because too much was being asked of him by Peter Laviolette. The coaching change has done wonders for the 20-year-old. I caught up with Couturier and Berube a couple weeks back and both seemed confident this would happen. Sometimes, it's important to be reminded that Couturier cannot even legally by an alcoholic beverage in the United States - he turns 21 on Saturday.


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12-05-2013, 01:29 PM
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Figures Seravalli was one of the misguided ones....

So glad Lavi was canned before he did more damage...
Outside of Frank's idiocy, trading ANY young player after a promising rookie season and then the well known sophomore slump is a mistake. So really double dumb on Frank's part.

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12-05-2013, 02:02 PM
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BillDineen- I was big on couturier from the get go and really thought he was great his rookie year. But his sophmore year the first game I saw him i could tell he made no physical improvements to a body that needed it.

I too thought if he displayed another year where he didn't show development his trade value would plummet.

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12-05-2013, 02:11 PM
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It was a sophomore half a year....wasn't even a full year. Yeah he regressed somewhat from his rookie year but with that dope Lavi, the lockout, and Holmgren having a poor offseason because he swung for the fences and struck out...then the injuries, I wasn't about to pin it all on Coots. There was enough crap that needed to be held accountable than a 19 year old...

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12-05-2013, 02:30 PM
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It was a sophomore half a year....wasn't even a full year. Yeah he regressed somewhat from his rookie year but with that dope Lavi, the lockout, and Holmgren having a poor offseason because he swung for the fences and struck out...then the injuries, I wasn't about to pin it all on Coots. There was enough crap that needed to be held accountable than a 19 year old...
Some of that drop was on his minutes as well... they were probably 2nd-3rd hardest in the league last year. (Instead of ~10th (this year) and ~15th-20th (1st year) among forwards in the NHL.)

But yeh, he is so much better physically now, and while his minutes last year were harder they are not too dissimilar to now apart from zone starts.

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12-05-2013, 02:33 PM
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Some top 10 picks don't break out till they're 23. The lack of patience some people have shown with Couturier has been actuely embarrassing.

Just one example...

Daniel Sedin scored 68 points in his first 154 games (0.44 PPG), and he was 20 and 21 years old during those two seasons. Sedin didn't break 50 till he was 23 and didn't become a PPG player till he was 26.

Sean Couturier has scored 56 points in his first 151 games (0.37 PPG), and he was 18, 19 and 20 during those three seasons. I'm also willing to wager that Couturier had worse linemates and played tougher minutes than Sedin did.

I don't expect Couturier to ever be more than a 55 point scorer, but the Daniel Sedin example clearly shows that some top draft picks take several years to reach their potential.

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12-05-2013, 02:34 PM
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Some of that drop was on his minutes as well... they were probably 2nd-3rd hardest in the league last year. (Instead of ~10th (this year) and ~15th-20th (1st year) among forwards in the NHL.)

But yeh, he is so much better physically now, and while his minutes last year were harder they are not too dissimilar to now apart from zone starts.
Only allowing him to start in the O zone 20% of the time was asinine.

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12-05-2013, 03:42 PM
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Coots has been playing great hockey for about a month now, yet he never seemed to be getting much love from the local media. Now that he has a 4 point game, Serivalli, Carchidi, Baicker, etc cant shut up about him. Funny how that works.

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Coots has been playing great hockey for about a month now, yet he never seemed to be getting much love from the local media. Now that he has a 4 point game, Serivalli, Carchidi, Baicker, etc cant shut up about him. Funny how that works.
Beat writers are like the main board posters.

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We were all over Couturier before it was cool.

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Some top 10 picks don't break out till they're 23. The lack of patience some people have shown with Couturier has been actuely embarrassing.

Just one example...

Daniel Sedin scored 68 points in his first 154 games (0.44 PPG), and he was 20 and 21 years old during those two seasons. Sedin didn't break 50 till he was 23 and didn't become a PPG player till he was 26.

Sean Couturier has scored 56 points in his first 151 games (0.37 PPG), and he was 18, 19 and 20 during those three seasons. I'm also willing to wager that Couturier had worse linemates and played tougher minutes than Sedin did.

I don't expect Couturier to ever be more than a 55 point scorer, but the Daniel Sedin example clearly shows that some top draft picks take several years to reach their potential.

I wouldn't expect him not to be, either. Supposing he continues to improve over the next 5 years, who knows where his development leads him. I say we shouldn't be so hasty to put a modest ceiling on his overall game.

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12-05-2013, 04:13 PM
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Imagine if Laughton is the real deal and in a couple years he becomes close to the luxury at 3C that Couturier is now...

Giroux / Couturier / Laughton down the middle... wow.

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Imagine if Laughton is the real deal and in a couple years he becomes close to the luxury at 3C that Couturier is now...

Giroux / Couturier / Laughton down the middle... wow.
I'm on board with the Laughton love. Boy, we're good at drafting centers.

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12-05-2013, 05:30 PM
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I'm all about that 2012 draft. I get all giddy thinking about a future 3rd line of Leier-Laughton-Cousins.

If they pan out like I'm thinking/hoping they will.

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12-05-2013, 05:51 PM
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I'm all about that 2012 draft. I get all giddy thinking about a future 3rd line of Leier-Laughton-Cousins.

If they pan out like I'm thinking/hoping they will.
That line is kinda on the small side. Take Leier off and through Simmer on though, that could make a heck of a line. They would piss off everybody on the opposing team.

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Some top 10 picks don't break out till they're 23. The lack of patience some people have shown with Couturier has been actuely embarrassing.

Just one example...

Daniel Sedin scored 68 points in his first 154 games (0.44 PPG), and he was 20 and 21 years old during those two seasons. Sedin didn't break 50 till he was 23 and didn't become a PPG player till he was 26.

Sean Couturier has scored 56 points in his first 151 games (0.37 PPG), and he was 18, 19 and 20 during those three seasons. I'm also willing to wager that Couturier had worse linemates and played tougher minutes than Sedin did.

I don't expect Couturier to ever be more than a 55 point scorer, but the Daniel Sedin example clearly shows that some top draft picks take several years to reach their potential.
I'm expecting many 65 point seasons and a few PPG seasons. Watching him develop in the Q and last years AHL play has me convinced. Its ALL about confidence with him, and now that seems to be back, the next step will be getting stronger.

I predict in 3 years, once hes all beefy, we're gonna talk about "beast-mode" or "angry" just like we do with coburn. He needs to be pissed sometimes to play his best, Physical hockey. He has limitless potential once he realizes it.



Oh. And he's officially a "Hot Cooter"

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I think Couts' grandmother passed away. http://theqmjhl.ca/article/condolenc...-family/154456

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Imagine if Laughton is the real deal and in a couple years he becomes close to the luxury at 3C that Couturier is now...

Giroux / Couturier / Laughton down the middle... wow.
Schenn moved to wing, cousins moved to wing. Realistically there is still an elephant in the room. What becomes of Lecavalier?

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Schenn moved to wing, cousins moved to wing. Realistically there is still an elephant in the room. What becomes of Lecavalier?
I think it's a pipedream to think Cousins will be good enough to make Vinny have to move. If Laughton is the real deal and Couturier keeps maturing like we all think he will, Schenn looks like he'll be the odd man out.

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Schenn moved to wing, cousins moved to wing. Realistically there is still an elephant in the room. What becomes of Lecavalier?
Also moved to wing, haha.

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Yes even better then Claude. The flyers answer To moose messier. Dude is a Hulk.

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What happened to Schenn? I'd put him on Couts left wing over Hartnell, always thought Schenn and Couts looked good when they play together. Maybe:

Read - G - Vinny
Schenn - Couts - Voracek
Downie - Laughton - Simmonds
Hartnell? - Hall - Rinaldo

Don't think we have room for Hartnell moving forward. He's already declining it seems like and we have solid replacements in Simmonds and Downie.

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What happened to Schenn? I'd put him on Couts left wing over Hartnell, always thought Schenn and Couts looked good when they play together. Maybe:

Read - G - Vinny
Schenn - Couts - Voracek
Downie - Laughton - Simmonds
Hartnell? - Hall - Rinaldo

Don't think we have room for Hartnell moving forward. He's already declining it seems like and we have solid replacements in Simmonds and Downie.
He's one of several posters who doesn't like Schenn very much.

I don't think it's very logical but that's just my opinion.

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