HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Edmonton Oilers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

FA Signings, Trade Rumors and Proposals Thread VIII: "The makeup has to be jigged"

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
10-29-2013, 04:39 PM
  #676
Yukon Joe
Registered User
 
Yukon Joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: YWG -> YXY -> YEG
Posts: 1,822
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatKeith View Post
Sure Miller can waive or change his mind, but doesn't the fact we were on his list in the first place raise any alarms?
No, because it's fairly common knowledge that Edmonton (and Winnipeg, and for that matter probably Buffalo) are pretty commonly placed on no-trade lists? Too small, too cold, losing records...

Yukon Joe is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 04:40 PM
  #677
PeakMcOil
Loyal To The Oil
 
PeakMcOil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,019
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lacaar View Post
Didn't really know where to post this but who is the best defenceman the Oilers have had since Pronger left?

Perhaps a better way to word it would be who played the best as a defenceman for us since Pronger left?

I'm having a hard time coming up with anyone that played to the caliber of a #2 let alone a #1.

Souray or Visnovsky were the best I can think of on paper but they never did play all that well for us.
Souray in his second year was a legit #1, Visnovsky, though undersized, was clearly a top pairing guy in his time here too imo.

PeakMcOil is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 04:42 PM
  #678
alphahelix
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,386
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BowDangles View Post
In the 2008-2009 season, Souray played pretty good for us. Put up 23 goals and 53 points..

But Edmonton really hasn't had a true #1 guy since Pronger… Which could be one of the reasons why they have not had success since Pronger left...
IMO that stretch from Souray, every game that Visnovsky was in the line-up, and even Ryan Whitney for the first 30 games or so before he got injured that one year were all top D quality. Lots of minutes, lots of points, smart play.

Visnovsky is an all-time great D-man, we made a terrible mistake. People in Edmonton underestime him because he isn't a lunchbucket type but he is effective in every way that a d-man can be, outside of punching people in the face (which isn't really a part of the game). He has had a great career.

If we had a prime Souray, Whitney, or Visnovsky right now our D would be fine. Some losers would be getting a lot less ice time until they learned how to play defence appropriately.


Last edited by alphahelix: 10-29-2013 at 04:48 PM.
alphahelix is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 04:51 PM
  #679
joestevens29
Registered User
 
joestevens29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 26,947
vCash: 2642
Quote:
Originally Posted by alphahelix View Post
IMO that stretch from Souray, every game that Visnovsky was in the line-up, and even Ryan Whitney for the first 30 games or so before he got injured that one year were all top D quality. Lots of minutes, lots of points, smart play.

Visnovsky is an all-time great D-man, we made a terrible mistake. People in Edmonton underestime him because he isn't a lunchbucket type but he is effective in every way that a d-man can be, outside of punching people in the face (which isn't really a part of the game). He has had a great career.

If we had a prime Souray, Whitney, or Visnovsky right now our D would be fine. Some losers would be getting a lot less ice time until they learned how to play defence appropriately.
He wanted out, given what happen with Souray we had no choice but to deal him.

joestevens29 is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 04:52 PM
  #680
dyzfunctioned
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 799
vCash: 500
Visnovsky was easily a #1 d-man in his time here. He wasn't Pronger but he's the next best thing we've had.

dyzfunctioned is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 04:58 PM
  #681
Soundwave
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 28,850
vCash: 500
It's too bad we can't transport Souray, Visnovsky, and Roloson circa 2008 onto this team.

Soundwave is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 05:01 PM
  #682
Master Lok
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 7,057
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by joestevens29 View Post
He wanted out, given what happen with Souray we had no choice but to deal him.
the same Lubomir Vishnovsky didn't want to play for the NYI and even went to court over it.

He resigned and is still playing there now. Interesting that NYI was able to convince him.

They were also able to convince Nabokov to stay in NYI when they picked claim him off waivers and he didn't want to go.

Funny that.

Master Lok is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 05:01 PM
  #683
misfit
5-14-6-1
 
misfit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: just north of...ever
Posts: 15,974
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatKeith View Post
Sure Miller can waive or change his mind, but doesn't the fact we were on his list in the first place raise any alarms?
Not if he agrees to a trade.

Honestly, if you ask every player to make a list of the 8 teams they'd least likely accept a trade to, I'd say almost all of them would have close to the same list, and it would be equally likely that those teams would be at the bottom of the NHL standings.

Players want to win, and if they get traded, they'd all prefer to be going somewhere that gives them an opportunity to compete for a cup.

An 8-team "no trade" list made before the season starts means very little to me. Hell, there may not be any teams that he wouldn't accept a trade to, but the contract says a list of 8 teams and that's what he submits.

__________________
If you are offended by this post, it's probably because you're ugly.
misfit is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 05:05 PM
  #684
BleedingOil
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 930
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by alphahelix View Post
IMO that stretch from Souray, every game that Visnovsky was in the line-up, and even Ryan Whitney for the first 30 games or so before he got injured that one year were all top D quality. Lots of minutes, lots of points, smart play.

Visnovsky is an all-time great D-man, we made a terrible mistake. People in Edmonton underestime him because he isn't a lunchbucket type but he is effective in every way that a d-man can be, outside of punching people in the face (which isn't really a part of the game). He has had a great career.

If we had a prime Souray, Whitney, or Visnovsky right now our D would be fine. Some losers would be getting a lot less ice time until they learned how to play defence appropriately.
While I agree Vis was a great d-man I think we made a mistake picking him up in the first. Major overpay

BleedingOil is online now  
Old
10-29-2013, 05:05 PM
  #685
joestevens29
Registered User
 
joestevens29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 26,947
vCash: 2642
Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Lok View Post
the same Lubomir Vishnovsky didn't want to play for the NYI and even went to court over it.

He resigned and is still playing there now. Interesting that NYI was able to convince him.

They were also able to convince Nabokov to stay in NYI when they picked claim him off waivers and he didn't want to go.

Funny that.
What's your point? Isles were on the way up when that happened to them, we were on the way down.

Lubo didn't even want to come here in the first place and was pissed that LA dealt him before his clause kicked in. Played here and still wanted out.

joestevens29 is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 05:07 PM
  #686
PeakMcOil
Loyal To The Oil
 
PeakMcOil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,019
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BleedingOil View Post
While I agree Vis was a great d-man I think we made a mistake picking him up in the first. Major overpay
Look at what we got for Lupul, Stoll and Greene, just gave away three good players for magic beans.

Though I must say Lupul was the most pathetic player I've ever seen in an Oilers jersey in his time here.

Vis wasn't a bad trade, we got the best player, but in the end we lost all these trades horribly.

PeakMcOil is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 05:21 PM
  #687
SeriousBusiness
T.Hall da man
 
SeriousBusiness's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,613
vCash: 500
I'm actually surprised so many of you are trivializing the fact that Miller had us on his 8 team list to start the season. Why would he change his mind now? Edmonton is still Edmonton, and the Oilers are still bottom dwellers.

There is no reason to think his desire to play here has increased since he first put us on the list.

SeriousBusiness is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 05:26 PM
  #688
Soundwave
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 28,850
vCash: 500
Meh. Pursue Halak or Hiller instead in the summer. Try and develop Bachman into a decent 1B backup this year.

Miller will probably want $7 million from a non-California team anyway.

Soundwave is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 05:31 PM
  #689
McDoused
Registered User
 
McDoused's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Katy <3
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,462
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeakOil View Post
Look at what we got for Lupul, Stoll and Greene, just gave away three good players for magic beans.

Though I must say Lupul was the most pathetic player I've ever seen in an Oilers jersey in his time here.

Vis wasn't a bad trade, we got the best player, but in the end we lost all these trades horribly.
If Lupul was half as good as he is now, we wouldn't have traded him. I don't think we would have drafted Hall, RNH or Yakupov with him scoring 40 as an oiler.

It sucks that Whitney suffered his injuries. He was a top pairing defenceman that we lost for nothing.

McDoused is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 05:37 PM
  #690
Fourier
Registered User
 
Fourier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Waterloo Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,125
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Lok View Post
the same Lubomir Vishnovsky didn't want to play for the NYI and even went to court over it.

He resigned and is still playing there now. Interesting that NYI was able to convince him.

They were also able to convince Nabokov to stay in NYI when they picked claim him off waivers and he didn't want to go.

Funny that.
The issue with Visnovsky was more about the validity of his NTC.

Fourier is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 05:44 PM
  #691
Frank the Tank
Passing the Torch
 
Frank the Tank's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Chicago, IL
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,616
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soundwave View Post
Meh. Pursue Halak or Hiller instead in the summer. Try and develop Bachman into a decent 1B backup this year.

Miller will probably want $7 million from a non-California team anyway.
I keep hearing Miller wants to go to California, but where is there room at the inn? San Jose is set with Niemi, LA with Quick, and Anaheim is swimming in goalies (Hiller, Fasth, Andersen, and Gibson). Even Phoenix (closest non-California team) signed Smith to a long-term contract extension.

Frank the Tank is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 06:16 PM
  #692
Jimmi McJenkins
Sometimes Miracles
 
Jimmi McJenkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 40,935
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank the Tank View Post
I keep hearing Miller wants to go to California, but where is there room at the inn? San Jose is set with Niemi, LA with Quick, and Anaheim is swimming in goalies (Hiller, Fasth, Andersen, and Gibson). Even Phoenix (closest non-California team) signed Smith to a long-term contract extension.
Actually, if you're the Sharks, if he comes relatively cheap, Miller might make an epic back-up for Niemi.

Jimmi McJenkins is online now  
Old
10-29-2013, 06:22 PM
  #693
joestevens29
Registered User
 
joestevens29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 26,947
vCash: 2642
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmi Jenkins View Post
Actually, if you're the Sharks, if he comes relatively cheap, Miller might make an epic back-up for Niemi.
Just a head-ache waiting to happen IMO in SJ. I just can't see him staying quiet about being a backup. I'd actually question the guy's character is he signed on to be a backup when there is starting positions to be had.

Maybe Dallas is a fit.

joestevens29 is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 06:28 PM
  #694
PeakMcOil
Loyal To The Oil
 
PeakMcOil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,019
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DousedInOil View Post
If Lupul was half as good as he is now, we wouldn't have traded him. I don't think we would have drafted Hall, RNH or Yakupov with him scoring 40 as an oiler.

It sucks that Whitney suffered his injuries. He was a top pairing defenceman that we lost for nothing.
Oh for sure, Lupul is an entirely different player, and I think coming home as an immature guy was the main reason. He had some growing up to do to become a consistent and effective player and I'm not sure that would ever have happened here. And we had some bad luck with Whitney and his foot problems.

Getting Pitkanen was a fine return for Lupul, but man did we piss away that trade after. This is all on the pro scouting at the time.

PeakMcOil is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 06:30 PM
  #695
FireMacT
Registered User
 
FireMacT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: also fire KLowe
Posts: 126
vCash: 500
re: Miller in California.

It's because his wife lives and works in Hollywood so the media automatically thinks he'll look to sign there in the off season. IIRC, his no trade list includes every team in Canada and Florida

FireMacT is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 06:33 PM
  #696
Paralyzer008
Registered User
 
Paralyzer008's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,613
vCash: 500
Seeing Visnovsky here reminds of me how bad Visnovsky for Whitney ended up being for us trade-wise.

Paralyzer008 is online now  
Old
10-29-2013, 06:50 PM
  #697
Soundwave
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 28,850
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by joestevens29 View Post
Just a head-ache waiting to happen IMO in SJ. I just can't see him staying quiet about being a backup. I'd actually question the guy's character is he signed on to be a backup when there is starting positions to be had.

Maybe Dallas is a fit.
Yeah I can see him signing in Dallas.

Either that or I'm going to call his epic meltdown --

Lundqvist is fed up with the Rangers, signs with the Islanders in the summer to team up with Tavares.

NYR needing a goalie, sign Miller.

Soundwave is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 06:51 PM
  #698
GreatMcKeith
Super Smashed Oilers
 
GreatMcKeith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 16,753
vCash: 217
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soundwave View Post
Yeah I can see him signing in Dallas.
Aren't they basically set with Lehtonen? He's there until 2018...

GreatMcKeith is online now  
Old
10-29-2013, 06:54 PM
  #699
Oiltankjob Fail
Registered User
 
Oiltankjob Fail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 6,693
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank the Tank View Post
I keep hearing Miller wants to go to California, but where is there room at the inn? San Jose is set with Niemi, LA with Quick, and Anaheim is swimming in goalies (Hiller, Fasth, Andersen, and Gibson). Even Phoenix (closest non-California team) signed Smith to a long-term contract extension.
He will end up in Colorado imo.

Oiltankjob Fail is offline  
Old
10-29-2013, 06:54 PM
  #700
McGlassbangers
#DraftSvechnikov
 
McGlassbangers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: McFinland
Country: Finland
Posts: 3,780
vCash: 97
If Anaheim is able to get rid of Hiller they'll sign Miller, quaranteed.

McGlassbangers is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:38 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.