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11-05-2013, 09:17 AM
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Morris Lukowich, LW

Gritty little sniper who made the 2nd WHA All-Star team at 22 before moving to the NHL. He made two all-star games with the Jets at 23 and 24. Will post scouting reports later, but they said he plays with the aggression coaches love.
I actually considered him in the MLD....I like this guy.

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11-05-2013, 09:21 AM
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. Honest mistakes happen all the time... the point is to not repeat them once one finds out.

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11-05-2013, 09:22 AM
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With Walton gone, there's just one post expansion center in his class, then another relatively sharp dropoff. It would actually be nice to see the one deserving guy get taken, then the rest wait for the aa.

Barlow is excellent. Is Mickey Roach a defensive whiz or something? Just wondering why one would take him over at least a half dozen pre-expansion centers with clearly superior offense.

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11-05-2013, 09:23 AM
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Damn day light savings. I now take RW Wayne Connelly.

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11-05-2013, 09:27 AM
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I hate being a pissant about it but:

a) I'm up at 5:30 am every day to be at work by 7, (4 am to be at work by 5 on Saturday mornings).....I end up researching a bit at nighttime and have to usually make me selections via cell phone.

b) the last two picks of his were serious considerations for me, within the top 3 choices come selection time. I'm sure everyone else around here would be a tad upset if they got scooped because of the time difference.

c) Had no idea that Saskatchewan didn't observe DST. Arizona doesn't either. I remember Indiana didn't either until I found out recently they switched in 2006.

I thought they were make up picks originally but the timing just seemed too coincidental.


My apologies to Buds if he thinks I was questioning his character.
No worries. I had no Idea of the time change. But ill be on time from now on. Sorry to take a couple picks from you if I did,.

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11-05-2013, 09:30 AM
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No worries. I had no Idea of the time change. But ill be on time from now on. Sorry to take a couple picks from you if I did,.
Again, my apologies.....things are cool.....except of course if we meet in the playoffs.

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11-05-2013, 09:44 AM
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Barlow is excellent. Is Mickey Roach a defensive whiz or something? Just wondering why one would take him over at least a half dozen pre-expansion centers with clearly superior offense.
He was an all-star in all FOUR leagues he played in before the NHL, bringing unquestionable ELITE speed, even at the top level, hence his role on my team's fourth line pivot position:

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Mickey Roach, rover of the Wanderers, held a skating party of his own at St. Nicholas Rink last night and glided over the ice so fast that the Knights of Columbus seven from Montreal gazed on him in wonderment as he proceeded to shoot six of the ten goals which the Wanderers tallied against a lone one for the outclassed lads from the Dominion.
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At worst, he is an extra skater top-6 role competitor in training camp candidate!

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11-05-2013, 09:59 AM
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How about a list of players one believes is deserving of MLD or ATD selection from which the top votee getter at each position is on the 1st all-star team.

One GM could submit a list of five names, another of eleven names, another w.h.y. It would be interesting to leave organic the list (no pre-determination of how many defensmen relative to how many left wingers or centers, etc.).

Simply submit a list of any and all players one believes deserving of at least MLD selection (not including any from one's own team). This final list of "promoted players" could be edited onto the bottom of the MLD draft list, after the add/drops, to be seen by next year's wave of drafters).

Plus: Every GM submit a team MVP candidate for the Hart trophy PRIOR to voting and then each GM will vote on the draft's MVP from that list of 14 players (no vote for one's own trophy candidate).
Iím not opposed to changes, And there doesnít HAVE to be a certain number of players from each position. But can you sell me on why this is better than just giving me a list of x number of players at each position?
And the MVP of the league could simply be the player who gets the most voting support in the promotions voting, couldnít he? Seems like that may be an unnecessary extra step. If thereís a certain player we want to get votes, we can all promote our guys, right?

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Morris Lukowich, LW

Gritty little sniper who made the 2nd WHA All-Star team at 22 before moving to the NHL. He made two all-star games with the Jets at 23 and 24. Will post scouting reports later, but they said he plays with the aggression coaches love.
Yeah, if this guy was gritty then he deserved to be picked a while back. My top offensive post-expansion wingers list is riddled with one-dimensional players. Lukowich was already at the top and his grit should make him an obvious ďnext choiceĒ.
Using overpassí sheet and a (previously established as acceptable) WHA conversion factor of 0.65. I determined that Granato has 527 adjusted points in 796 adjusted games, and Lukowich 533 in 804. Crazy, eh?

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I hate being a pissant about it but:

a) I'm up at 5:30 am every day to be at work by 7, (4 am to be at work by 5 on Saturday mornings).....I end up researching a bit at nighttime and have to usually make me selections via cell phone.

b) the last two picks of his were serious considerations for me, within the top 3 choices come selection time. I'm sure everyone else around here would be a tad upset if they got scooped because of the time difference.

c) Had no idea that Saskatchewan didn't observe DST. Arizona doesn't either. I remember Indiana didn't either until I found out recently they switched in 2006.

I thought they were make up picks originally but the timing just seemed too coincidental.

My apologies to Buds if he thinks I was questioning his character.
VI can confirm, but technically a pick made prior to the opening of the draft day is invalid and you could make that pick yourself if you want the guy. In this case, BB came in and re-picked Connelly, so itís moot, but if that happens again you could technically do that.

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11-05-2013, 10:05 AM
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He was an all-star in all FOUR leagues he played in before the NHL, bringing unquestionable ELITE speed, even at the top level, hence his role on my team's fourth line pivot position:


hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showpost.php?p=37440595&postcount=39

At worst, he is an extra skater top-6 role competitor in training camp candidate!
Interesting, didn't know that. The oha scoring title is quite impressive. I checked out the other two leagues on sihr , nothing to really speak of as far as competition level is concerned. But the 1919 oha season is great seasoning for the main course.

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11-05-2013, 10:27 AM
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seventieslord is eager to collect the votes for the all-stars so unless there's an objection let's let him do whatever he thinks best in that regard.

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11-05-2013, 10:39 AM
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Warroad selects, D Marek Zidlicky



He'll be a PP specialist for the team and his defensive reputation is still solid enough that he won't hurt things in his own end. At least among modern players, I had him as the best PP specialist still on the board here.

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11-05-2013, 10:41 AM
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VI can confirm, but technically a pick made prior to the opening of the draft day is invalid and you could make that pick yourself if you want the guy. In this case, BB came in and re-picked Connelly, so itís moot, but if that happens again you could technically do that.
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No I didn't. I picked Eddie Johnston.

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11-05-2013, 11:01 AM
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seventieslord is eager to collect the votes for the all-stars so unless there's an objection let's let him do whatever he thinks best in that regard.
Hey, I really like doing it, I make no bones about it. But I didn't say "bend to my will", I said "let's talk about it".


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The Wolverines selects Benoit Hogue, LW/C


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11-05-2013, 11:03 AM
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The Dawson City Nuggets select with their Day (12?) pick-

RW Lowell MacDonald

MacDonald was a very solid winger for his time period, and finished in the Top 10 in league scoring in '73-'74.

He was a point per game player during his prime in the early 70s, and didn't have much in the way of teammates other than Syl Apps.

MacDonald was also a stellar playoff performer, posting 22 points in 30 career games.

He'll make a nice second-line winger.

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11-05-2013, 11:03 AM
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With our Day 12 pick the Knights are proud to select centre Tim Young



Not sure if Young is the centre seventies was speaking about but he was on my radar when I picked Zezel last week. I think Young may go to my 2nd line and slide Zezel down to my 3rd but we will see. Young had 536 points in 628 career games.

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11-05-2013, 11:17 AM
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The Wolverines selects Benoit Hogue, LW/C

I was hoping that Hogue would've been available a few days from now.

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The Dawson City Nuggets select with their Day (12?) pick-

RW Lowell MacDonald

MacDonald was a very solid winger for his time period, and finished in the Top 10 in league scoring in '73-'74.

He was a point per game player during his prime in the early 70s, and didn't have much in the way of teammates other than Syl Apps.

MacDonald was also a stellar playoff performer, posting 22 points in 30 career games.

He'll make a nice second-line winger.
Gah! I totally forgot about MacDonald. I wasnít going to have room for him, but I admit I forgot to shortlist him. If I had, Iíd have known he was the 2nd best offensive post-expansion winger left.
With Lowell out of the picture, the gap between the top guy and the next is quite huge now though.
Solid pick, noob!

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???

No I didn't. I picked Eddie Johnston.
I donít think youíre understanding what Iím saying. Iím saying if this ever happens again and someone comes in and picks your guy before the draft day opens, just wait until it does open and pick your guy. His early pick is invalid. In this case BB came in and re-picked Connolly so this was not an option by the time I told you. Get it?

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With our Day 12 pick the Knights are proud to select centre Tim Young



Not sure if Young is the centre seventies was speaking about
Nope, definitely not. Not a Young fan. At least not at this point in the draft. There are at least 10 offensive centers post-expansion and four pre-expansion Iíd rather see selected before him. Heíd probably be an appropriate AA 2nd line center.

I know he missed some games, so I did some quick calculations and even if we bump him up for the 38 games he missed in his 6 best seasons, his best 6 percentage scores would total 346, and Iíd still have at least 10 NHLers ahead, and thatís before giving them any credit for games missed.

I know heís got a teeny bit of a two-way game, but nothing that would be a deal breaker among this class of one-dimensional centers remaining. For whatever reason, Young continues to be more popular than his resume merits.

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11-05-2013, 11:59 AM
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The Wolverines selects Benoit Hogue, LW/C

Damn, another scratch off my list.

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The number of teams that make the playoffs will depend on the number that qualify for the postseason. To qualify, a team must meet this all-time draft roster condition: Have on the team at least ONE player from each of the following all-time hockey periods:

1916 or earlier
1917-1942
1943-1965
1966-1979
1980-1994
1995-2004
in 2013 (ANY active/nonretired pro player with 300-plus games pro experience regardless of when he began his career)

The very first game ever played in a top pro league defines which time period for the required condition (so, an eighties player whose NHL or SEL rookie season started in 1979 would meet the 1966-79 time period requirement).
Since they must be selected also, can a coach count as one of the time period required picks?

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Just a quick question, can I play wingers on their off wing?

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Just a quick question, can I play wingers on their off wing?
You can do whatever you want, but most GMs (correctly IMO) dock a player some amount of credit if you play him in an unfamiliar position.

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Just a quick question, can I play wingers on their off wing?
No.

This came up in the ATD and the MLD. They have to play where they played the majority of their games.

If it's a near even match it is okay.

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You can do whatever you want, but most GMs (correctly IMO) dock a player some amount of credit if you play him in an unfamiliar position.
I thought this was resolved in the last draft?

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No.

This came up in the ATD and the MLD. They have to play where they played the majority of their games.

If it's a near even match it is okay.
This is clearly not true.

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I thought this was resolved in the last draft?
I didn't follow the MLD closely at all, but every draft I've been in, as long as a player played for a few seasons in one position AND he played that position at near peak level, he's fine for that position.

Of course, GMs try to cheat all the time, like playing Pete Mahovlich at LW, when he he did spend a few seasons there, but everything he did that's worth remembering was at C.

But if a player is proven to play at a certain position at a certain level, I don't see why he couldn't play there here.

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