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Buffalo's Matt Moulson, Ryan Miller, Steve Ott, Drew Stafford

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10-30-2013, 01:16 PM
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Buffalo's Matt Moulson, Ryan Miller, Steve Ott, Drew Stafford

If Buffalo decides against resigning Matt Moulson, what would your team be willing to give up for a multiple time 30 goal scorer winger for the playoff push?

So far I really like Matt, great first game but off the ice he has been excellent with fans and within the Buffalo community. I think he could be a good leader to help the rebuild if he is resigned but nonetheless what is your team willing to give up.

What would teams willing to be give up for any of these players at the deadline?

The Sabres really need to add young top 6 potential forwards, top prospects, and more draft picks in that order.

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10-30-2013, 01:26 PM
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As neutral observer here are my thoughts...

Matt Moulson
High end- 1st rounder in the 18-25 slot + 2nd OR prospect
Low End- 1st Rounder in the 25-30

Ryan Miller
High End- Servicable Roster Player + 1st Rounder + Prospect/Pick (1st or 2nd)
Low End- Cap Dump + 1st Rounder + 3rd or Prospect

Steve Ott
High End- 1st Rounder in the 20-30 spot
Low End- 2nd Rounder

Drew Stafford
High End- 1st Rounder in 18-25 slot + 3rd/Prospect
Low End- 1st Rounder in 25-30 slot

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Moulson will probably go for another 1st near the deadline if a contending team is willing to pay it. I see that being likely. Miller might be 1st + B level prospect or 2nd + a blue chipper.

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Jeez....is there a rule about how many picks 1 team can have in 1 draft year? Buffalo already has 2 1st rounders and 3 2nd rounders I think.....

I can see all 4 guys being traded for picks and or prospects.


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As neutral observer here are my thoughts...

Matt Moulson
High end- 1st rounder in the 18-25 slot + 2nd OR prospect
Low End- 1st Rounder in the 25-30

Ryan Miller
High End- Servicable Roster Player + 1st Rounder + Prospect/Pick (1st or 2nd)
Low End- Cap Dump + 1st Rounder + 3rd or Prospect

Steve Ott
High End- 1st Rounder in the 20-30 spot
Low End- 2nd Rounder

Drew Stafford
High End- 1st Rounder in 18-25 slot + 3rd/Prospect
Low End- 1st Rounder in 25-30 slot
I think you're spot on at the high end (which isn't likely to be achieved) and low end, except with Stafford. I can't see him being worth more than a 2nd at the high end and that's being generous.

Edit: I also think Miller's low end is considerably lower, like a 2nd rounder, though depending on how bad the cap dump is the offer you put might be equivalent in value.


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The Sens could be interested in Ott

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If Buffalo decides against resigning Matt Moulson, what would your team be willing to give up for a multiple time 30 goal scorer winger for the playoff push?

So far I really like Matt, great first game but off the ice he has been excellent with fans and within the Buffalo community. I think he could be a good leader to help the rebuild if he is resigned but nonetheless what is your team willing to give up.

What would teams willing to be give up for any of these players at the deadline?

The Sabres really need to add young top 6 potential forwards, top prospects, and more draft picks in that order.
collosal mistake. sell sell sell....embrace the full rebuild and sell everything that isnt nailed down while you can, get as much as you can and keep collecting high picks....

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Stafford has killed any value he has this year. I'd take a reclamation project for him. A speedy winger with hands of stone I don't care just take him.

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It really wouldn't shock me if Stafford gets waived soon. I don't think he has much trade value, if any.

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Ott



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2nd Round Pick 2014

Would love Ott on the Rangers.

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collosal mistake. sell sell sell....embrace the full rebuild and sell everything that isnt nailed down while you can, get as much as you can and keep collecting high picks....
agreed. Moulson is nice and I like him a lot but hes older (30 i think) and will be more than im willing to pay at this point. if we were one or two peices away from winning, id love to keep him. We are better off with whatever we could get for him than keeping him for 5 years

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agreed. Moulson is nice and I like him a lot but hes older (30 i think) and will be more than im willing to pay at this point. if we were one or two peices away from winning, id love to keep him. We are better off with whatever we could get for him than keeping him for 5 years
Especially since there are always guys like (not necessarily as good production-wise) Moulson in free agency. If you're going to overpay one, may as well get something for Moulson and sign someone else. That tier of player tends to have no problem signing with a bad hockey situation if you're willing to pony up.

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As neutral observer here are my thoughts...

Matt Moulson
High end- 1st rounder in the 18-25 slot + 2nd OR prospect
Low End- 1st Rounder in the 25-30

Ryan Miller
High End- Servicable Roster Player + 1st Rounder + Prospect/Pick (1st or 2nd)
Low End- Cap Dump + 1st Rounder + 3rd or Prospect

Steve Ott
High End- 1st Rounder in the 20-30 spot
Low End- 2nd Rounder

Drew Stafford
High End- 1st Rounder in 18-25 slot + 3rd/Prospect
Low End- 1st Rounder in 25-30 slot
Moulson should net you a low first rounder and mid prospect at the deadline

Ott lands you a low to mid first rounder at the deadline

Miller lands you nothing as he is untradeable in my opinion

Stafford is worth a 3rd rounder

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Moulson should net you a low first rounder and mid prospect at the deadline

Ott lands you a low to mid first rounder at the deadline

Miller lands you nothing as he is untradeable in my opinion

Stafford is worth a 3rd rounder
You're right on most of this but how is Miller untradeable? Based on performance? Surely not. He's been solid on a horrible team. Cap hit? Non-issue mostly because Sabres can eat tons of cap and the salary remains a non-issue to pay under Pegula. This was just proven with Vanek deal, where they picked up 20% of his salary.

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As a Sabres fan I think we need to hold onto Stafford if we can't get at least a 2nd and maybe a little more. Keep him for next season, see if he can rebound in a contract year, and see if you can move him for a first at the 2015 deadline.

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As neutral observer here are my thoughts...

Matt Moulson
High end- 1st rounder in the 18-25 slot + 2nd OR prospect
Low End- 1st Rounder in the 25-30

Ryan Miller
High End- Servicable Roster Player + 1st Rounder + Prospect/Pick (1st or 2nd)
Low End- Cap Dump + 1st Rounder + 3rd or Prospect

Steve Ott
High End- 1st Rounder in the 20-30 spot
Low End- 2nd Rounder

Drew Stafford
High End- 1st Rounder in 18-25 slot + 3rd/Prospect
Low End- 1st Rounder in 25-30 slot

From a Sabres fan, I agree with most of this.

I would prefer to keep Ott. I think he is still worth more than the late 1st we would receive. Everyone else, see ya later.

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As neutral observer here are my thoughts...

Matt Moulson
High end- 1st rounder in the 18-25 slot + 2nd OR prospect
Low End- 1st Rounder in the 25-30

Ryan Miller
High End- Servicable Roster Player + 1st Rounder + Prospect/Pick (1st or 2nd)
Low End- Cap Dump + 1st Rounder + 3rd or Prospect

Steve Ott
High End- 1st Rounder in the 20-30 spot
Low End- 2nd Rounder

Drew Stafford
High End- 1st Rounder in 18-25 slot + 3rd/Prospect
Low End- 1st Rounder in 25-30 slot
These are a good start, but Stafford's contract and production makes him virtually worthless. It'll be a bad roster player and pick or a late pick IMO.

Ott I could see fetching more than what you have laid out - look at what Clutterbuck got.

Miller I can't see getting that much. Goalies just never go for a ton.

IMO:

Moulson

High-End: Middle-Late 1st + 2nd or good Prospect
Low-End: Late 1st

Miller

High-End: Depth roster player + good prospect/late 1st + 3rd
Low-End: Depth roster player + 2nd

Steve Ott:

High-End: Top prospect or 1st + 2nd rounders/decent prospect
Low-End: Late 1st

Stafford

High-End: Late pick
Low-End: Cap dump + 5th

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Stafford is garbage nowadays. He has little flashes, but mainly just a useless players.

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As neutral observer here are my thoughts...

Matt Moulson
High end- 1st rounder in the 18-25 slot + 2nd OR prospect
Low End- 1st Rounder in the 25-30

Ryan Miller
High End- Servicable Roster Player + 1st Rounder + Prospect/Pick (1st or 2nd)
Low End- Cap Dump + 1st Rounder + 3rd or Prospect

Steve Ott
High End- 1st Rounder in the 20-30 spot
Low End- 2nd Rounder

Drew Stafford
High End- 1st Rounder in 18-25 slot + 3rd/Prospect
Low End- 1st Rounder in 25-30 slot
im a Sabres fan...I consider myself objective......what do I expect in return:

I expect them to keep one of Ott/Moulson and trade the other.....but they could trade both

Ryan Miller

I expect something like a conditional 2014 2nd (that becomes a 1st if the team make the playoffs or advances **) + prospect+ conditional 2nd 2015 on him resigning

The advancement in the playoffs wil depend on the team that acquires them. For example a team like Pittsburgh it may only kick in if the reach the cup semis or cup finals but for a team like Edmonton its condition is making the playoffs, and with St Louis it would be if they advance a round.

If Buffalo is taking a player like MAF back then the their will be additional compensation either in certain of the picks or the quality of the prospects.

either cap retention occurs or they take back a fellow UFA which balances the salary.


Matt Moulson

--they will consider on resigning him but it depends on what he is asking for. they will not sign him to some sort of 6 yr $30M contract. If he seems successful with Hodgson then they may look at something more around $4M-$4.5M

--If they cant see a contract extension then they trade him and the expected return would be a 1st in 2014 or 2015 + an additional prospect/2nd round pick.

Steve Ott


1st in either 2014 or 2015--

---I think they resign him to a 2 yr extension or they trade him with his "brother" Weber to a team.

If they trade him it will either be for a 1st or a 2nd+ quality prospect

I could see Ott+ Weber for a 1st+ quality prospect


Drew Stafford


If they trade Moulson and Ott then they need to keep Stafford or Leino to stay above the cap floor.

The last cap retention is being saved for Miller so they cant do salary retention on Stafford unless they wait till the draft to move him.

As far as return I think he can be used to get:

1. a fellow reclamation project ---Booth or Burmistrov
2. They use him to trade up with picks such as Stafford+ LA 2nd 2014 for LA 1st 2014, or Stafford + 2nd 2014 (not buffalo) to Edmonton for their 1st 2014
3. They drade him for a prospect+ 2nd


4. A different deal I could see happening is Ennis + Stafford+ 2nd for a top 6 vet winger under contract for a few years.


Christian Ehrhoff

The type of deal I see would be

from BUF: Ehrhoff + $4M/$4M cap dump/$4M salary retained
to BUF(option 1): 1st + 2nd + prospect + conditional 1st in 2018(if they dont buy him out of his contract in 2017 at $4M over 8 years)
to BUF(option 2): 1st + very good prospect + conditional 1st in 2018(if they dont buy him out of his contract in 2017)This could be adjust to be move to 2018 buyout and 2019 pick where they buy out then would be $2M over 4 yrs.

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Moulson should net you a low first rounder and mid prospect at the deadline

Ott lands you a low to mid first rounder at the deadline

Miller lands you nothing as he is untradeable in my opinion

Stafford is worth a 3rd rounder
Miller, really?

This is a combination of some Luongo vs. Miller hate sprinkled with some Hodgson for Kassian remorse, right? Ridiculous!

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Steve Ott

What would Buffalo want and what would teams give for Ott?

Good leader
Good at faceoffs
Gritty
Physical

Would a B+ prospect, 1st rounder, and 2nd rounder be enough?

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What would Buffalo want and what would teams give for Ott?

Good leader
Good at faceoffs
Gritty
Physical

Would a B+ prospect, 1st rounder, and 2nd rounder be enough?
I would be absolutely shocked if he even got a 1st and that was it. He is a good player but why a 1st for a guy who takes a crap load of bad penalties and has not scored more than 40 points since 08. I mean i love the guy and especially loved him here in Dallas.

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What would Buffalo want and what would teams give for Ott?

Good leader
Good at faceoffs
Gritty
Physical

Would a B+ prospect, 1st rounder, and 2nd rounder be enough?
imo overpayment first and prospect would be enuff

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A 1st would do it

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imo overpayment first and prospect would be enuff
I think a low 1st is more then enough

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