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10-27-2013, 08:56 PM
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Jordan Eberle to Pittsburgh

This is a little loopy, but I think it's a fun idea to consider.

The Oilers are in need of defensive upgrades in order to contend, but are quite stacked with great forwards. The Pens are very thin at the winger position, especially in the top 6, but are loaded with high-quality defensemen and prospects. Here's a just-for-the-hell-of-it proposal that seeks to address both problems:

PENS GET
Jordan Eberle

OILERS GET
Kris Letang
Matt Niskanen

Letang is signed to a long (admittedly expensive) contract at 8 years, 7.25 million - that kicks in next season. For remainder of this year, his cap hit is 3.5 mil. Despite the insistence of some detractors, he is a very solid two-way defensemen in addition to his elite scoring talents. He would be the linchpin of Edmonton's defense for years to come. Matt Niskanen is a capable puck moving defenseman who can play on a second power play unit or kill penalties effectively. Niskanen is an impending UFA who makes 2.3 mil per year. The Pens, while they would be reluctant to part with Letang, can afford to lose both of these players due to their prospect depth on defense. (Edit for clairty - Niskanen is basically a cap dump in this trade, but I think he offers something useful to the Oilers. I know the Pens are giving more than they're getting here, but I think they can afford to.)

Eberle, who makes 6 million per year until 2018-19, would be a big upgrade to the Pens' top 6 - he'd more than likely play alongside Crosby - and this trade would allow them to play Dupuis on the third line, where many fans feel he is better suited to help the team. Pittsburgh's entire forward core becomes much more stable and injury-resistant with the addition of an upgrade to the first line, and Crosby would at long last have the fabled "elite winger" Pens fans have been clamoring for since Hossa skipped town.

Would something like this be appealing to Edmonton in the sense that it would address their defense issues?


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10-27-2013, 08:57 PM
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10-27-2013, 08:59 PM
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I'd consider but we don't need or want Niskanen.

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10-27-2013, 08:59 PM
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This is a little loopy, but I think it's a fun idea to consider.

The Oilers are in need of defensive upgrades in order to contend, but are quite stacked with great forwards. The Pens are very thin at the winger position, especially in the top 6, but are loaded with high-quality defensemen and prospects. Here's a just-for-the-hell-of-it proposal that seeks to address both problems:

PENS GET
Jordan Eberle

OILERS GET
Kris Letang
Matt Niskanen

Letang is signed to a long (admittedly expensive) contract at 8 years, 7.25 million - that kicks in next season. For remainder of this year, his cap hit is 3.5 mil. Despite the insistence of some detractors, he is a very solid two-way defensemen in addition to his elite scoring talents. He would be the linchpin of Edmonton's defense for years to come. Matt Niskanen is a capable puck moving defenseman who can play on a second power play unit or kill penalties effectively. Niskanen is an impending UFA who makes 2.3 mil per year. The Pens, while they would be reluctant to part with Letang, can afford to lose both of these players due to their prospect depth on defense.

Eberle, who makes 6 million per year until 2018-19, would be a big upgrade to the Pens' top 6 - he'd more than likely play alongside Crosby - and this trade would allow them to play Dupuis on the third line, where many fans feel he is better suited to help the team. Pittsburgh's entire forward core becomes much more stable and injury-resistant with the addition of an upgrade to the first line.

Would something like this be even close to as appealing to Edmonton as it is to Pittsburgh?
I don't think this is "appealing" to Pittsburgh at all.

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10-27-2013, 09:00 PM
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I don't think this is "appealing" to Pittsburgh at all.
"Appealing" was the wrong word to use, I think I meant something more along the lines of "does this address Edmonton's issues?"

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10-27-2013, 09:03 PM
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Pittsburgh wouldn't trade Letang. They just locked him up long term.

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i think a one for one would be more realistic. maybe eberle for letang and that might be too much for pittsb

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Not opposed to moving Letang in the right deal, but I wouldn't want to move both Letang and Niskanen without getting a D back who has some experience. To make the dollars work, that might mean Edmonton has to take a crappy contract (Glasses?) back.

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i think a one for one would be more realistic. maybe eberle for letang and that might be too much for pittsb
the real reason I threw in Niskanen is because the Pens need to dump salary to make the trade viable Value-wise, a one for one is much closer, but it wouldn't work. Maybe in the interest of fairness Edmonton sends some picks the other way?

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I don't even think Pittsburgh would do Letang for Eberle straight up.

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Wait what? Letang for Eberle... and Pittsburgh is adding? Addresses a need for Pittsburgh, but Letang is still more valuable, and a more irreplaceable player than Eberle.

Eberle is fantastic, and I've always been a fan since watching him in world juniors but... this isn't a good move for Pitt. It would be a bad trade for the Pens straight-up, let alone adding another solid piece to it.

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10-27-2013, 09:10 PM
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I don't even think Pittsburgh would do Letang for Eberle straight up.
I think they would be remiss not to consider it, or another trade like it. Eberle is a legitimately great first line winger, something the Pens don't really have (Neal is technically a second liner and Beau Bennett is still a prospect). On defense, however, the Pens are filled to the brim - guys like Maatta, Bortuzzo, Despres, and to a lesser extent Dumoulin are all viable options to see more time in the big leagues, and down the line, Pouliot and Harrington project to be great NHLers as well. if two out of those six guys pan out, this is basically a wash.


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I think they would be remiss not to consider it, or another trade like it. Eberle is a legitimately great first line winger, something the Pens don't really have (Neal is technically a second liner and Beau Bennett is still a prospect). On defense, however, the Pens are filled to the brim - guys like Maatta, Bortuzzo, Despres, and to a lesser extent Dumoulin are all viable options to see more time in the big leagues, and down the line, Pouliot and Harrington project to be great NHLers as well. if two out of those six guys pan out, this is basically a wash.
there's a huge difference between "seeing more time in the big leagues" and being thrown into top 4 minutes (two of those you listed would need to be, plus another to cover Scuderi's injury). this would be a terrible move for the Pens.

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It would address Edmonton's most glaring need. I'd do it I think, as much as it would sting to lose Eberle.

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there's a huge difference between "seeing more time in the big leagues" and being thrown into top 4 minutes (two of those you listed would need to be, plus another to cover Scuderi's injury). this would be a terrible move for the Pens.
Obviously the Scuderi injury makes this unworkable in the short-term. But I think letting Despres see top-4 minutes isn't out of the question - despite the fact that the Pens have sent him to the gulags in WB/S, I think it's a little goofy to think he's not a viable 3rd or fourth defenseman. He played very well last season. And, hell, as long as Orpik's around, he'll be in the top 4 anyway...so If Scuds were healthy, something like:

Scuderi - Maatta
Orpik - Martin
Despres - Bortuzzo

doesn't seem out of the question to me.

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10-27-2013, 09:41 PM
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Meh. All Bylsma would do is force Eberle onto Malkin's left wing, instead of the obvious spot on Crosby's right, so it'd be pointless for at least 4 years anyways.

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10-27-2013, 09:43 PM
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Letang, Niskanen, Glass (6.9m)
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Eberle, Petry (50%), 2014 3rd (6.95m)

Petry gives Pittsburgh a bit of insurance this season (with moving Nisky and Letang), is a big guy, and can play. He's a RFA this summer. The 3rd helps as the Pens have moved a lot of draft picks in recent years. Glass and Niskanen are there for cap reasons, however both contracts expire this summer.

Pens (healthy):

Kunitz - Crosby - Eberle
Neal - Malkin - Dupuis/Jokinen
Bennett - Sutter - Dupuis/Jokinen

Martin - Orpik
Petry - Scuderi
Bort - Maatta
Engo

Pens also have Despres, Harrington and Dumoulin all in the minors who are likely close to being ready (or are).

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Letang, Niskanen, Glass (6.9m)
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Eberle, Petry (50%), 2014 3rd (6.95m)

Petry gives Pittsburgh a bit of insurance this season (with moving Nisky and Letang), is a big guy, and can play. He's a RFA this summer. The 3rd helps as the Pens have moved a lot of draft picks in recent years.

Pens (healthy):

Kunitz - Crosby - Eberle
Neal - Malkin - Dupuis/Jokinen
Jokinen - Sutter - Dupuis

Martin - Orpik
Petry - Scuderi
Bort - Maatta
Engo

Pens also have Despres, Harrington and Dumoulin all in the minors who are likely close to being ready (or are).
I like this better than my proposal

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Letang, Niskanen, Glass (6.9m)
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Eberle, Petry (50%), 2014 3rd (6.95m)

Petry gives Pittsburgh a bit of insurance this season (with moving Nisky and Letang), is a big guy, and can play. He's a RFA this summer. The 3rd helps as the Pens have moved a lot of draft picks in recent years. Glass and Niskanen are there for cap reasons, however both contracts expire this summer.

Pens (healthy):

Kunitz - Crosby - Eberle
Neal - Malkin - Dupuis/Jokinen
Bennett - Sutter - Dupuis/Jokinen

Martin - Orpik
Petry - Scuderi
Bort - Maatta
Engo

Pens also have Despres, Harrington and Dumoulin all in the minors who are likely close to being ready (or are).
That's actually pretty reasonable.

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I'd consider but we don't need or want Niskanen.
Yes you do. But anyways...

Also - I am in no way interested in trading Letang in a deal centered around Eberle.

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Letang, Niskanen, Glass (6.9m)
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Eberle, Petry (50%), 2014 3rd (6.95m)

Petry gives Pittsburgh a bit of insurance this season (with moving Nisky and Letang), is a big guy, and can play. He's a RFA this summer. The 3rd helps as the Pens have moved a lot of draft picks in recent years. Glass and Niskanen are there for cap reasons, however both contracts expire this summer.

Pens (healthy):

Kunitz - Crosby - Eberle
Neal - Malkin - Dupuis/Jokinen
Bennett - Sutter - Dupuis/Jokinen

Martin - Orpik
Petry - Scuderi
Bort - Maatta
Engo

Pens also have Despres, Harrington and Dumoulin all in the minors who are likely close to being ready (or are).
Good proposal Riptide. Doesn't really seem unreasonable on value or in terms of addressing each teams needs with one minor issue: 6M is a lot for the Penguins to pay for a third line right wing.

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I don't even think Pittsburgh would do Letang for Eberle straight up.
This. You don't trade Norris trophy finalists and guys like Letang unless you are getting a guy like Corey Perry in return. No slight to Eberle but Edmonton would have to add.

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Meh. All Bylsma would do is force Eberle onto Malkin's left wing, instead of the obvious spot on Crosby's right, so it'd be pointless for at least 4 years anyways.
This exactly. Bylsma is a ****ing moron. He'd have Eberle playing backup goalie before we know it.

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This exactly. Bylsma is a ****ing moron. He'd have Eberle playing backup goalie before we know it.
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