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11-02-2013, 09:14 AM
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Clinton was so focused on killing Bin Laden, he denied Bergers request for a tomahawk strike in 1998. I guess he wanted to use 20000 troops during his third term instead.

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Don't you understand? Obama should have ignored due political process and closed down Gitmo through a dictatorial act.
I thought that he could close Gitmo/release detainees via executive order, no? Aren't there loopholes in the NDAA?

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11-02-2013, 09:24 AM
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Didn't Coll write in Ghost Wars that Clinton had an opportunity to have Sudan hand over OBL to the CIA but Clinton rebuked it saying there wasn't enough evidence for 1992 in Yemen, WTC and Somalia?

Sudan then handed him over to the Taliban. Sure Clinton increased counter-terrorism spending and ordered hits on Bin Laden. But to say that he was focused on AQ when he was embroiled in scandal (not to mention Kosovo) for the last four years in office is certainly a stretch.

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11-02-2013, 09:28 AM
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LOL at people who are trying to give credit to Clinton for focusing on Bin Laden.

I loved Clinton's famous hindsight quote: "if I were still President, I would have had 20000 troops looking for Bin Laden."

The WTC was attacked in 1993 just months after Clinton was inaugurated. After the 1993 attack, OBL Issued at least two public fatwas and attacked US targets every year until Clinton's last months in office.

But good to know Bill needed 12 years to get boots on the ground. It's not like he was President or anything.

And where is Al Qaeda the strongest right now? Hmmmm. Let's see how smart people are.
The Vatican? How many guesses do we get.

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11-02-2013, 09:30 AM
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I thought that he could close Gitmo/release detainees via executive order, no? Aren't there loopholes in the NDAA?
Yes, and had he, all the "Muslim socialist Nazi Hitler Kenyan dictator" mouthbreathers would have pointed at his closing of Gitmo with loopholes and behind the back of the "honest congressmen (oh, yeah, and women)" who supposedly have the real interest of the US at heart as proof that Obama was just going to do whatever the hell he wanted to.

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11-02-2013, 09:36 AM
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Clinton was so focused on killing Bin Laden, he denied Bergers request for a tomahawk strike in 1998. I guess he wanted to use 20000 troops during his third term instead.
Um, what?

http://makethemaccountable.com/myth/...dTerrorism.htm

You don't get to rewrite history, sorry.

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11-02-2013, 09:48 AM
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The Vatican? How many guesses do we get.
Somalia.

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Um, what?

http://makethemaccountable.com/myth/...dTerrorism.htm

You don't get to rewrite history, sorry.
Neither do you or liberal journalists.

This is hysterical. Clinton fails to kill Bin laden several times, turns down other chances to do so, then needs permission from Saudi Arabia to arrest the most dangerous man in the world.

Here's a liberal columnist's take on Clinton.

http://articles.philly.com/2002-01-1...s-top-priority

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Feb21.html

So Coll thinks Paralysis was the reason why Clinton didn't get Bin Laden. And that isn't the administrations fault beacaaaaaaaaause...? Clinton waited until 1998 to authorize deadly force on Bin Laden. Six years. It took him six years, and after the catastrophe in Sudan he wimped out.

Bush was a major idiot. But you have to laugh at Clinton saying "well...at least I tried". Yeah...after six years, two fatwas and major attacks on US interests, he finally woke up.

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11-02-2013, 10:18 AM
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Michael Scheuer's thoughts on Clinton can be found all over the place, fwiw. I'll let the readers decide whether or not they agree with his assessments. He was in charge of the CIA's OBL unit.

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I just don't see how Clinton gets a pass because he "tried" to go after AQ.

In Clinton's 8 years, AQ grew in size, strength, influence and operational capacity. If Clinton's version of "trying" to get OBL was a couple of missile strikes and diplomatic coercion, I don't even want to think about how he would have handled a real war.

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I just don't see how Clinton gets a pass because he "tried" to go after AQ.

In Clinton's 8 years, AQ grew in size, strength, influence and operational capacity. If Clinton's version of "trying" to get OBL was a couple of missile strikes and diplomatic coercion, I don't even want to think about how he would have handled a real war.
Rewriting history again I see. Do you not remember the conniption fit the Republicans had over Kosovo? The bombing of the *cough* "aspirin" *cough* factory? One of the main things Clinton told Shrub was Al Qaeda" was our biggest threat and Bush shrugged it off. Even after 911 their first thought was let's go after Iraq for Christs sake.

Clinton had many many faults, but you're just trying to make up false equivalencies now.

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I just don't see how Clinton gets a pass because he "tried" to go after AQ.

In Clinton's 8 years, AQ grew in size, strength, influence and operational capacity. If Clinton's version of "trying" to get OBL was a couple of missile strikes and diplomatic coercion, I don't even want to think about how he would have handled a real war.
If W. had even "tried" to go after Al Qaeda I'd be giving him a pass on 9/11 too - but since he didn't, I won't.

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I think Clinton took too long in taking AQ seriously as a major threat to American lives and interests, but I do believe that by the end of his administration - especially after the embassy bombings and the USS Cole - he was really putting forth a concerted effort to go after AQ leadership. Bush definitely seemed to drop the ball on that after he was elected.

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Rewriting history again I see. Do you not remember the conniption fit the Republicans had over Kosovo? The bombing of the *cough* "aspirin" *cough* factory? One of the main things Clinton told Shrub was Al Qaeda" was our biggest threat and Bush shrugged it off. Even after 911 their first thought was let's go after Iraq for Christs sake.

Clinton had many many faults, but you're just trying to make up false equivalencies now.
Who cares about Bush? Bush being ignorant has nothing to do with Clinton failing to disrupt AQ.

Clinton took action against AQ in 1998, a good 6 years after election, and it not only failed militarily but it failed politically as well.

There is absolutely nothing positive or noteworthy of Clinton's "focus" on AQ. That's like giving Reagan credit for "focusing" on a war on drugs he never came close to winning.

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If W. had even "tried" to go after Al Qaeda I'd be giving him a pass on 9/11 too - but since he didn't, I won't.
Again, why are people so obsessed with Bush's failed strategic blueprint when discussing Clinton's shortcomings as Commander in Chief?

You make it sound like Bush ordered the NSA, FBI and CIA to cease all collection and analysis on Al Qaeda the day he was elected. Please. What was Bush supposed to do? Declare war on Afghanistan on 20 January 2001 because they harbored OBL?

The truth is that EVERYBODY screwed up with 9-11. Everybody, including the previous administration who wasted numerous opportunities to sever the operational capacity of AQ.

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Rewriting history again I see. Do you not remember the conniption fit the Republicans had over Kosovo? The bombing of the *cough* "aspirin" *cough* factory? One of the main things Clinton told Shrub was Al Qaeda" was our biggest threat and Bush shrugged it off. Even after 911 their first thought was let's go after Iraq for Christs sake.

Clinton had many many faults, but you're just trying to make up false equivalencies now.
You really think 9-11 triggered Bush's interest in Iraq

Look at the guys to the left and right of him, and who spawned him. The idea to invade Iraq happened well before 9-11.

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You really think 9-11 triggered Bush's interest in Iraq :11.
No. Just gave him the excuse.

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I will go a step further and say the Bush Administration purposely ignored the intelligence for 9/11. It gave him legitimacy for military expansion in Afghanistan and further occupation in the region. In other words, he wanted a reason to go there.

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I will go a step further and say the Bush Administration purposely ignored the intelligence for 9/11.
I will definitely not go there.

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I will go a step further and say the Bush Administration purposely ignored the intelligence for 9/11.

Just mosey on up to the bar and show us the evidence.

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I will go a step further and say the Bush Administration purposely ignored the intelligence for 9/11. It gave him legitimacy for military expansion in Afghanistan and further occupation in the region. In other words, he wanted a reason to go there.
Do you think Bush literally thirsts for the blood of the innocent? What's the payoff in expanding into Afghanistan at the expense of 3,000 American civilians' lives?

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It's just Lindsay Graham fending off getting Tea Partied.

Not easy being a gay politician in South Carolina, so you have to go full nut job.
Eh I'm not the biggest Graham fan, but he'd do this grandstanding regardless of the baggers.

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I will definitely not go there.
Same. Worst president of all time, but he didn't let 9/11 happen willfully.

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Well first of all I don't think any administration tells the truth. Looking back... maybe GHW Bush, maybe Jimmy Carter?
History lesson: Administrations that tell the truth lead to one-term presidencies.

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