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Sabres offered Vanek to Toronto

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10-29-2013, 11:08 AM
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Vanek (Salary retained) for JML + Gardiner + 1st + 2nd?
No reason for Buffalo to do this. 2 D men coming back when they would be trading one of their leading goal scorers? Their D is fine, they need scoring forwards.

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10-29-2013, 11:09 AM
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That doesn't come close to the Islanders deal.
Really how so? Gardiner unlike Moulson is under team control for the foreseeable future. First and second pics could be in the same area draft wise....taking on Liles I can see being an issue, but to say it's not close with quality pieces involved is a bit obtuse. Maybe include a cap dump going to Toronto or something. jmo.

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10-29-2013, 11:10 AM
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No reason for Buffalo to do this. 2 D men coming back when they would be trading one of their leading goal scorers? Their D is fine, they need scoring forwards.
Most importantly they need picks. I see Moulson going out too.

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10-29-2013, 11:11 AM
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I would imagine that Vanek was offered to every single team in the NHL.

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10-29-2013, 11:12 AM
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The Sabres probably offered him to the 28 other teams too.

Dreger is reporting crap.

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10-29-2013, 11:16 AM
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He was offered. im sure the Leafs quickly declined. in fact he was likely offered to 29 teams

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10-29-2013, 11:19 AM
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I trust Nonis so must've been something that wasn't very appealing. Plus the Leafs really don't need Vanek. When you offer one of your best players plus add in eatting some of the salary..you can bet that Buffalo was looking to hit pay dirt and Nonis declined. There is no reason for the Leafs to part way with assets/picks for a rental at this point. Nonis and co have been patient and have built a strong team with a farm system that is starting to show some fruits for all the labour.

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10-29-2013, 11:27 AM
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Seems fishy to me. The Leafs would have no way to re-sign Vanek, so why would they dump the assets necessary to acquire him especially since they have no shortage of goal scoring in their top 6?
Strongly agree with this. TOR was tight against the cap, so any deal would have to cap neutral (BUFF could retain some salary to make this happen, but it needs to be considered).

Also, why would BUFF trade Vanek to one of their largest rivals who is very close geographically? Seems smarter for them to move him outside the division at a minimum, and probably somewhere that might be less likely to be able to resign him long term. (Not saying that NYI can't resign him long term, but the Islanders could be considered a less desirious location than the Leafs, but both teams have a strong future and I can see how someone could think differently).

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10-29-2013, 11:29 AM
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That doesn't come close to the Islanders deal.
I'm sure Nonis offered much less. This was probably a one sided affair that began and ended with an asset that Nonis did not want to part with.

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10-29-2013, 11:30 AM
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That doesn't come close to the Islanders deal.
I would strongly disagree. The picks balance out, and having the rights to Gardiner for long term have significantly greater value than Moulson for the remainder of the year, even if it includes picking up JML in the deal as well.

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Whats the point of Dreger's tweet? I pretty sure Sabres offered Vanek to every team in the NHL.
Yeah. It was probably floated out as who can give the best offer. It's not like they traded him out of the conference.

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10-29-2013, 11:31 AM
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I would assume he offered him to the entire league. Thats his job.

Thanks super sleuth Dreger!

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10-29-2013, 11:37 AM
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Likely Kulemin+1st+2nd. I'm thinking the Sabres really wanted to be able to pawn off whatever player they got in return for more picks.

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10-29-2013, 11:43 AM
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lets get something clear here: the Sabres approached the Leafs. its likely it never got to the point of the Leafs actually discussing names going to the sabres

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10-29-2013, 11:43 AM
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Apparently Nonis didn't want to move Reimer for Yakupov because Regier wanted Reimer straight up for Vanek. Nonis balked at the Vanek deal as well because he's heard through Dreger a third team is willing to step up and trump both offers.

The question now Dreger is, who is the 3rd team?

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10-29-2013, 11:55 AM
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Apparently Nonis didn't want to move Reimer for Yakupov because Regier wanted Reimer straight up for Vanek. Nonis balked at the Vanek deal as well because he's heard through Dreger a third team is willing to step up and trump both offers.

The question now Dreger is, who is the 3rd team?
Say what? Reimer for Yakupov and Toronto are the ones that said no?

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10-29-2013, 11:57 AM
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Say what? Reimer for Yakupov and Toronto are the ones that said no?
It's all speculation. I think there was an article on Sportsnet/TSN that stated Nonis did not want to move Reimer (or either goalie).

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10-29-2013, 12:03 PM
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lets get something clear here: the Sabres approached the Leafs. its likely it never got to the point of the Leafs actually discussing names going to the sabres
Actually that's not clear, nothing is. That's why it's a completely useless report.

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10-29-2013, 12:11 PM
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It's all speculation. I think there was an article on Sportsnet/TSN that stated Nonis did not want to move Reimer (or either goalie).
Well I get that they wouldn't want to move him but this would be a big over-payment. I like Reimer and all, but not very many goalies get you a first overall pick in return.

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10-29-2013, 12:19 PM
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Well I feel like the Sabres probably offered Vanek to 29 other teams as well
Exactly. Isn't that the definition of shopping a deal?

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10-29-2013, 12:20 PM
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Apparently Nonis didn't want to move Reimer for Yakupov because Regier wanted Reimer straight up for Vanek. Nonis balked at the Vanek deal as well because he's heard through Dreger a third team is willing to step up and trump both offers.

The question now Dreger is, who is the 3rd team?
Provide proof

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10-29-2013, 12:24 PM
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If you believe Dreger, every trade in the NHL gets run by the Leafs first. It's getting a little ridiculous.

That said, the Sabres probably shopped Vanek to a bunch of teams...but obviously the Leafs bring in the ratings and hits and retweets and all that good stuff, so here we are.
Hence why every trade is ran by the leafs.... and about 28 other teams because THAT is how you get maximum value.

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10-29-2013, 12:25 PM
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Wow. I didn't like that we traded him within the conference to begin with but just imagine him going to one of our biggest rivals. I would imagine that Darcy would have driven up the price for a rival, plus salary retention...we would have gotten a nice package

Edit: I don't see why you guys think Gardiner makes sense. Our defense core is set for years with Myers, Ehrhoff, Pysyk, Ristolainen, Zadorov, McCabe, McNabb, etc
Every time I watched Buffalo this year I was impressed by Pysyk . . . just gets the job done without a lot of notice.

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10-29-2013, 12:27 PM
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well dreger's intel is pretty legit, even tho hes clueless about the game most of the time
aka "toronto wouldnt trade reimer for yakupov"

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Which is why he went to New York. The Leafs marginal improvement with Vanek wouldn't be worth what it'd cost to get him. We already have JvR, Lupul, and Kessel as legit top-6 wingers.

+ I don't quite get why Buffalo would go around offering up Vanek, thats not necessarily the best way to get full value out of your asset. They got a nice haul from the Isles but Dreger's reporting is questionable at best.

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