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10-30-2013, 01:53 AM
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Oilers Shake Up!!

It is obvious that the Oilers need a shake up and have a stock pile of a redundant piece, I only trade Yak because I feel he is the odd man out even though IMO will be the best goal scorer of the bunch for sure. RNH has impressed me and I think he is the closest thing to a young Datsyuk in the game and is only player who is number 1 center, Hall and Eberle are best friends, have good chemistry and are the natural pair to keep. Oilers have some up and coming dman in Klefbom and Nurse, one of which will likely turn into a top pair dman. All that said I think these moves address needs for oilers and the other team IMO.

First Deal:

To Buf

2014 1st rounder (assume lottery top 3 protected)
Musil

To Edm

Erhoff


2nd Deal

To Ottawa

Yakupov
Maracinin
N. Schultz

To Edmonton

Cowen
Zibenjad
2014 3rd rounder

To Philly

Smid
Hemsky
3rd rounder

To Edm

Simmonds
+Cap dump

Oilers lineup now and future both look more well rounded..

NOW;

Simmonds - RNH - Eberle
Hall - Gagner - Perron
Joensuu - Zibby - Arco
Pitlick - Gordon - Jones
Acton Gazdic

Erhoff - Petry
Cowen - J Schultz
Ference - Belov

With a future top 6 of

Nurse, Klefbom, Erhoff, J Schultz, Petry, Cowen. Pretty damn stellar in my books.


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10-30-2013, 01:57 AM
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You're throwing in a lot of junk to these proposals.. first one EDM overpays, second one both teams say no, third one Philly laughs.

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The first one isn't too bad, but there's no way that Ottawa or Philadelphia does those deals.

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10-30-2013, 01:58 AM
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I love Christian Ehrhoff, but if the Oilers are offering up what could likely be a lottery pick for him I'll drive him to the airport.

the reality is Christian Ehrhoff has no value on a rebuilding team until 2016 at the earliest and I'm down to trade anybody breathing for 1st round picks at this point.

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10-30-2013, 02:02 AM
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After Islanders got their pick in the Vanek trade top 10 protected, I would guess Oilers would want something similar if they trade it. Perhaps given the choice to give up their 2015 1st round pick instead if their 2014 pick is a top 5 pick.

You can't risk a 1st overall pick on Ehrhoff when you are dead last in the West.

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10-30-2013, 06:45 AM
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To Ottawa

Yakupov
Maracinin
N. Schultz

To Edmonton

Cowen
Zibenjad
2014 3rd rounder
Not a chance Ottawa does this :

Zibanejad > Yakupov (Z plays defence and offense, Yak only plays offence, if that)
Cowen > Marincin
3rd >= N. Schultz

Not to mention that if Yak bolts to Russia, the trade becomes Cowen, Zibby, and a 3rd for Marincin and N. Schultz. Heck to tha no.

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10-30-2013, 07:48 AM
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You're throwing in a lot of junk to these proposals.. first one EDM overpays, second one both teams say no, third one Philly laughs.
At least you see the big error in the OP.

Philly has 7 NHL D-men....adding another one without subtracting one doesn't make sense. Then Philly gets Hemsky...who all Edmonton fans were raving about 2 weeks ago. He now has 6 points in 14 games and is -6...on pace for 35 points. Seems like he is back to normal again.

Wayne Simmonds, who is also struggling, gives the Oilers something they do need...size and net presence in the top 6. The issue is, he is not worth any of the top 4 on the Oilers and then after that, the Oilers have little that would interest the Flyers.

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10-30-2013, 07:53 AM
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Not a chance Ottawa does this :

Zibanejad > Yakupov (Z plays defence and offense, Yak only plays offence, if that)
Cowen > Marincin
3rd >= N. Schultz

Not to mention that if Yak bolts to Russia, the trade becomes Cowen, Zibby, and a 3rd for Marincin and N. Schultz. Heck to tha no.
Yakupov>>>>>Zibanejad
Not to mention Zibanejad could bolt for Sweden

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10-30-2013, 08:14 AM
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Yakupov>>>>>Zibanejad
Not to mention Zibanejad could bolt for Sweden
And there is no chance for Yak to bolt to the KHL.

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10-30-2013, 08:17 AM
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Yakupov is already out of the game. And not to mention but he added -4 last night.

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10-30-2013, 08:23 AM
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I would try and do something centered around (aka not 1 for 1.. balance it out) Eberle for Bogosian. Edmonton needs an upgrade on D, Winnipeg needs offence.

For goaltending? Not much is available. Hiller out of Anaheim might be a good target. Miller doesn't want to go to Edmonton, and Toronto isn't yet in a position to move one of their goalies.

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10-30-2013, 09:11 AM
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I'll throw out a few trade ideas that will get horribly shot down.

Eberle and Klefbom to Nashville for Jones

Edm 1st (if top 5) to STL for Stewart and Allen

Hemsky to NYI for Martin

Marco Roy to LA for Clifford

Flame away.

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10-30-2013, 09:21 AM
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After watching the game last night, my opinion is this:

You need an upgrade in goal (shoudn't cost a fortune unless you make a huge splash)

You need a massive upgrade on defense (this one will probably cost you a bunch, N.Schultz was your best D last night....J.Schultz played like he didn't give a ****)

The one thing you can fix internally.....have Eakins explain the definition of "backcheck" to your forwards. Gagner, Yak and RNH all looked horrible last night.

I'm not insulting....or bragging, just an opinion. The Oilers need to concentrate on team defense in a BIG BIG way. It literally looks like the Ron Wilson Leafs out there.

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10-30-2013, 09:46 AM
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what about..
a) Fire Lowe/Buchberger/Smith
b)
Taylor Hall
Dillon Simpson


Milan Lucic
Chris Kelly

c)
Ales Hemsky
David Musil


Kyle Clifford
Lindon Vey

d)
Ladislav Smid


Jonas Hiller

e)
Jordan Eberle
Nick Schultz
Marc O-Roy


Jared Cowen
Curtis Lazar
--------------------------


Lucic-Hopkins-Simmonds
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Kelly-Gordon-Clifford
Gazdic-Arcobello-Pitlick

Cowen-Schultz
Ference-Petry
Grebeshkov/Larsen-Belov

Hiller
Dubnyk

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10-30-2013, 09:47 AM
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Give Ottawa a right handed 2nd pairing D-man this instant! Thanks.

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10-30-2013, 09:50 AM
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Fire the entire Ivory Tower at Rexall Place and go from there.

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10-30-2013, 10:10 AM
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I think Ehrhoff is a great idea. And I think I would trade a 1st for him at this point. Not a lot of available top pairing dmen and I think he's probably the best of the options and a cap hit of 4 mil for that is more than reasonable.

The other deals? Either they don't help or the other team says no.

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10-30-2013, 10:32 AM
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Buffalo deal doesnt work

Bufalo really does not Dmen coming back.

Buffalo has 7 young Dmen al under 23 to start this season in Pysyk, Myers, Ristolainen, Zadorov, McNabb, McCabe, and Ruhwedel.

Ehrhoff is worth more than just a 1st + B prospect.

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10-30-2013, 10:44 AM
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Buffalo deal doesnt work

Bufalo really does not Dmen coming back.

Buffalo has 7 young Dmen al under 23 to start this season in Pysyk, Myers, Ristolainen, Zadorov, McNabb, McCabe, and Ruhwedel.

Ehrhoff is worth more than just a 1st + B prospect.
Assuming that first is top 5, you take that and run for Ehrhoff, it doesn't matter what player comes along with it.

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10-30-2013, 11:09 AM
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First 2 trades I'd do but the third one would only happen if mezaros(sp?) was coming back, along with sending a project prospect like Gernat

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Yakupov>>>>>Zibanejad
Not to mention Zibanejad could bolt for Sweden
Offense + Defense >>>>>>>>>> Inconsistent offense + no defense

This seems to be the concept that Oilers management just cannot grasp, along with many of their fans... You need to score AND keep the puck OUT of your own net to win. A team has 6 or 7 Dmen dressed in any game for a reason.

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"a" works well.

Boston doesn't do "b" in the season, based on needs alone. Maybe in the offseason.

Can't speak for LA fans too much, but I think "c" is fair.

"d" is fair value wise, but I don't know if Anaheim trades their starting goalie.

Edmonton takes it up the backside in "e". Change Eberle to Yakupov and it might be worth considering.

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what about..
a) Fire Lowe/Buchberger/Smith
b)
Taylor Hall
Dillon Simpson


Milan Lucic
Chris Kelly

c)
Ales Hemsky
David Musil


Kyle Clifford
Lindon Vey

d)
Ladislav Smid


Jonas Hiller

e)
Jordan Eberle
Nick Schultz
Marc O-Roy


Jared Cowen
Curtis Lazar
--------------------------


Lucic-Hopkins-Simmonds
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Kelly-Gordon-Clifford
Gazdic-Arcobello-Pitlick

Cowen-Schultz
Ference-Petry
Grebeshkov/Larsen-Belov

Hiller
Dubnyk

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10-30-2013, 11:41 AM
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Try making a big run at Buffalo to address 2 of you glaring needs. Find out what the cost of Miller+Ehroff or Myers would be.

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10-30-2013, 11:54 AM
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Offense + Defense >>>>>>>>>> Inconsistent offense + no defense

This seems to be the concept that Oilers management just cannot grasp, along with many of their fans... You need to score AND keep the puck OUT of your own net to win. A team has 6 or 7 Dmen dressed in any game for a reason.
Totally agree.

Another problem in the same vein is that Edmonton needs big, two-way centers also, who will backcheck and help the defense outnumber the forwards in their own zone. They don't need RNH while also be paying guys like Gagner when they already have Yakupov and probably Hemsky too, who have offensive flair but aren't that good or physical in their own zone. They collectively need to learn how to win hockey games, not just score in hockey games.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoldNewLettuce View Post
what about..
a) Fire Lowe/Buchberger/Smith
b)
Taylor Hall
Dillon Simpson


Milan Lucic
Chris Kelly

c)
Ales Hemsky
David Musil


Kyle Clifford
Lindon Vey

d)
Ladislav Smid


Jonas Hiller

e)
Jordan Eberle
Nick Schultz
Marc O-Roy


Jared Cowen
Curtis Lazar
--------------------------


Lucic-Hopkins-Simmonds
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Kelly-Gordon-Clifford
Gazdic-Arcobello-Pitlick

Cowen-Schultz
Ference-Petry
Grebeshkov/Larsen-Belov

Hiller
Dubnyk
Kings do not have salary space for Hemsky. Oilers can keep him.

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