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11-04-2013, 04:58 PM
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Carle has more points than any oilers defenceman. plus you add Gudas, who leads the league in hits. Carle's bomb from the point will help our non existent pp.
I love reading this board, you guys keep the chat going pretty well when it comes to changes needed for your roster and such. Now, don't get me wrong, but the very last thing Matt Carle has is "a bomb from the point". We used to call him weak wrists on our board becuase he only took wristers that never made it through. If you are looking for a defenseman to help your powerplay, or team overall, you would be wise to not go anywhere near Carle.

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How about Yakupov for Risolainen and Zadorov? Obviously still young but it would help address our defensive depth long term.

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11-04-2013, 05:06 PM
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How about Yakupov for Risolainen and Zadorov? Obviously still young but it would help address our defensive depth long term.
and Sabres do it exactly why?

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I really don't think Hemsky will be traded until close to the trade deadline. He's an important depth piece for our top 6 right now.

MacT will more than likely trade Hemsky at the deadline for more assets, then turn around and flip those assets (or other pieces made redundant by the new assets) in the off-season for something he's looking for in the off-season.

It makes more sense from a trade value POV, but not from a team development POV.
If Hall, Joensuu and Smyth are returning soon and Perron is almost ready then we have plenty of 'top6 depth' to lose Hemsky right now.
Also, I am sure he will be traded for an NHLer and not for a pick or a prospect.

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How about Yakupov for Risolainen and Zadorov? Obviously still young but it would help address our defensive depth long term.
I don't know if you can get both of those guys, it might be, instead.

Yakupov and Schultz for Zadorov, Myers and a 2nd

Edit: And I don't think that enough from Buffalo.

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11-04-2013, 05:08 PM
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How about Yakupov for Risolainen and Zadorov? Obviously still young but it would help address our defensive depth long term.
And then next season the oilers have 3 dmen under 20 years old.
Sounds like a winning plan.


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Plus Ekblad apparently... Yeesh.

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11-04-2013, 05:09 PM
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and Sabres do it exactly why?
They lack an elite level offensive forward.

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I don't know if you can get both of those guys, it might be, instead.

Yakupov and Schultz for Zadorov, Myers and a 2nd
Dont need Zadorov..

Yakupov for Myers + Armia would be nice.

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What if you traded J Schultz + first rounder for Byfuglien, signed Phaneuf, traded for Coburn (Petry would have to be in that deal I'd think)

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nice D for next year but my guess is the salary cap would say hello here.
If you can't sign Phaneuf, maybe trade Marincin, Petry/Smid/Ference, 2nd rounder for Ehrhoff


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11-04-2013, 05:11 PM
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And then next season the oilers have 3 dmen under 20 years old.
Sounds like a winning plan.


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Plus Ekblad apparently... Yeesh.
The most likely way to get top pairing dmen is developing them yourself.

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11-04-2013, 05:15 PM
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The most likely way to get top pairing dmen is developing them yourself.

So in 5 years we hope one of them becomes a #1 dman and that all the forwards we're too reluctant to trade haven't left.

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They lack an elite level offensive forward.
They have the 2 Grigs, Armia, Hodgson etc .. Sure Yak would be great but they are not trading 2 guys they just drafted and who are coming along very nicely for them.

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Why would you want to downgrade from Petry to Coburn?

Do people actually watch Coburn?

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Man I not a big fan of Byfuglien. His failure to commit to conditioning on two separate occasions makes me nervous for bringing him here.

Regarding Ehrhoff, I love the guy, but he has a NMC. I don't see a scenario where we waives it to go from the 30th ranked team.....to the 29th ranked team.

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Dont need Zadorov..

Yakupov for Myers + Armia would be nice.
If they take Schultz and Add you mean, because I have a hard time believing Myers' value is still that high, given the contract and recent level of play.

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11-04-2013, 05:24 PM
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And then next season the oilers have 3 dmen under 20 years old.
Sounds like a winning plan.


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Plus Ekblad apparently... Yeesh.
I agree Ristolainen and Zadorov isn't a great idea, but Ekblad is a Doughty/Jones type who will make an impact right away. Not a Pietrangelo/Bogosian who take at least a few years of development (regardless of when they start in the NHL)

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11-04-2013, 05:27 PM
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Why would you want to downgrade from Petry to Coburn?

Do people actually watch Coburn?
Technically Petry is very good. He is our best defenceman but he doesn't bring the effort and leadership id like to see. We need more guys that when the going gets tough, they fight back. Petry seems to fold when things aren't going well.

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11-04-2013, 05:30 PM
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So in 5 years we hope one of them becomes a #1 dman and that all the forwards we're too reluctant to trade haven't left.
How else do you expect to get top pairing defencemen? People have been saying this for 5 years.

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Why would you want to downgrade from Petry to Coburn?

Do people actually watch Coburn?
Yeah Flyers fans not loving this guy. He hasn't been the same player he was a couple of years ago and I'm not sure how he'd improve the D.

I'd honestly get someone like Phaneuf over Coburn, but Ehrhoff is, to me, the best and most realistic target for the Oilers to acquire.

If not Ehrhoff someone like Josi would be great as well.

I can't think of another d-man a team would be willing to give up. Could we get Leddy out of Chicago? Hjalmarsson?

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11-04-2013, 05:31 PM
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I agree Ristolainen and Zadorov isn't a great idea, but Ekblad is a Doughty/Jones type who will make an impact right away. Not a Pietrangelo/Bogosian who take at least a few years of development (regardless of when they start in the NHL)
Cleary those two aren't on Ekblads level. We havent seen a dman like him come along in a long time.

The point I'm making is that a team with two thirds of their defense being too young to rent a car is never going to win. I just can't get over how fans of the Oilers just keep proposing to get younger and younger and expect this club to ever win.

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Technically Petry is very good. He is our best defenceman but he doesn't bring the effort and leadership id like to see. We need more guys that when the going gets tough, they fight back. Petry seems to fold when things aren't going well.
He's also extremely indecisive-a no no for a fast paced game.

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How else do you expect to get top pairing defencemen? People have been saying this for 5 years.
Draft and develop? What makes you think Zadorov or Risto have a better chance at being a #1 than Nurse or even Klefbom to some extent?

Or, maybe if this team can actually learn to crawl out of the basement of the league, signing one could be possible.

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Cleary those two aren't on Ekblads level. We havent seen a dman like him come along in a long time.

The point I'm making is that a team with two thirds of their defense being too young to rent a car is never going to win. I just can't get over how fans of the Oilers just keep proposing to get younger and younger and expect this club to ever win.
No one is going to trade is a top pairing defenceman in their prime and I don't want a guy at the end of his career.

We still might suck for a couple years but I don't see any other way. At least with this deal both guys have top pairing potential and are already a year in.

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Draft and develop? What makes you think Zadorov or Risto have a better chance at being a #1 than Nurse or even Klefbom to some extent?

Or, maybe if this team can actually learn to crawl out of the basement of the league, signing one could be possible.
What number one defenceman is a UFA this off season?

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If not Ehrhoff someone like Josi would be great as well.

I can't think of another d-man a team would be willing to give up. Could we get Leddy out of Chicago? Hjalmarsson?
Good targets...Kulikov could be a good ad...

I hate Yandle and was at one point of the mind that Coburn was a waste.....but then we lost to Toronto...

...now I just want to trade for other players just to see them lose for a while....and then the players I cheer for can win on the other team....

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