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11-05-2013, 09:12 AM
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Stamkos struggled majorly and was said to be available. What if the Rangers had traded for him after he struggled?

Seguin struggled and had some question marks in Boston. Dallas seems pretty happy with him.

This type of thing happens. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, it should at least be looked at.
The only way I'd entertain this if is it came dirt cheap - something with Del Zotto as the centerpiece. Im not sure why Edmonton would do that, then again, they're the ones stuck with the malcontent.

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It is a gamble, no question. But Nail was considered a consensus #1 pick with his talent, Filatov was not in the same ballpark.

Yakupov was supposed to be comparable with Stamkos, Hall, and Tavares. He most certainly has 100 point potential. Would you hold off trading MDZ for that because of risk? It depends on the GM and the situation the team is in. The Rangers have the depth to part with Del Zotto.

It is not in the interest of the NHL to lose 20% of its top forwards to the KHL just because they are one dimensional.

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For the amount of complaining this fan base did about Gaborik being invisible unless he was scoring goals, lots of folks are surprisingly quick to jump on the bandwagon of a similar player.

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The only way I'd entertain this if is it came dirt cheap - something with Del Zotto as the centerpiece. Im not sure why Edmonton would do that, then again, they're the ones stuck with the malcontent.
We're a a little more than a year removed from the Nash trade, less than year removed from the Gaborik trade and now some people are ready to package multiple assets for this guy?

I don't get it.

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With that ****** attitude,Yakupov will be back in the KHL in 2 years. I want to play my way. Fantastic. I am AV will love to hear that.
Given that AV's MO is to install a simple system and let the player's creativity take it from there, I would think that he would be an ideal coach for a player with Yakupov's attitude.

Edit: I'm not trying to put out a pro or con opinion on this. Just pointing out some factors that may not be accounted for.

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Seguin absolutely had all of those.
I'm not sure. Seguin certianly became that.

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So two former firsts and a future first for a former, also unproven first overall?

Yakupov is by far the best player in the deal, and you have to give to get. Plus he won't hit UFA for a long time. Helps the Rangers now and in the future. We'd all like to trade Pyatt and a 3rd for him, but this isn't EA sports.

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11-05-2013, 09:19 AM
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Right. Plus, they could equally have been scouting the Ducks, since they have a lot of depth in the biggest thing the Oilers lack.
Long trip from Edmonton to NY just to see the ducks. Plenty of chances for them to watch Anaheim a lot closer to home, not as many to see the Rangers. Messier has intimate knowledge about the Ducks players? I'm not saying a trade is going to go down, but I doubt they were there to see the Ducks.

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The only way I'd entertain this if is it came dirt cheap - something with Del Zotto as the centerpiece. Im not sure why Edmonton would do that, then again, they're the ones stuck with the malcontent.
I think that would be the main pieces

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It is a gamble, no question. But Nail was considered a consensus #1 pick with his talent, Filatov was not in the same ballpark.

Yakupov was supposed to be comparable with Stamkos, Hall, and Tavares. He most certainly has 100 point potential. Would you hold off trading MDZ for that because of risk? It depends on the GM and the situation the team is in. The Rangers have the depth to part with Del Zotto.

It is not in the interest of the NHL to lose 20% of its top forwards to the KHL just because they are one dimensional.
Exactly. Kovalchuk is who he reminds/reminded me of.

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For the amount of complaining this fan base did about Gaborik being invisible unless he was scoring goals, lots of folks are surprisingly quick to jump on the bandwagon of a similar player.
I'd love to have had Gaborik at the beginning of his career when he was healthy. Hell, I'd trade Del Zotto for a signed Gaborik at a reasonable contract 11 times out of 10.

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We're a a little more than a year removed from the Nash trade, less than year removed from the Gaborik trade and now some people are ready to package multiple assets for this guy?

I don't get it.
Younger, higher upside, ability to grow with the team

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It is a gamble, no question. But Nail was considered a consensus #1 pick with his talent, Filatov was not in the same ballpark.

Yakupov was supposed to be comparable with Stamkos, Hall, and Tavares. He most certainly has 100 point potential. Would you hold off trading MDZ for that because of risk? It depends on the GM and the situation the team is in. The Rangers have the depth to part with Del Zotto.
Del Zotto, probably not although I'm not sure who takes his minutes. However DZ ++ that amounts to Miller and a 1st or even just Miller is revolting.

I'd do DZ, Fast, 2nd or similar at best and that's knowing someone can log DZ's minutes. Realistically they should do nothing.

The most concerning thing to me is if they shotgun trade for Yakupov, then Rick Nash is not coming back in 2013, maybe longer. I know PCS is a fickle beast but it's not sounding promising of late.

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For the amount of complaining this fan base did about Gaborik being invisible unless he was scoring goals, lots of folks are surprisingly quick to jump on the bandwagon of a similar player.
Similar, much younger player. Gaborik was what he was when he came to the Rangers, Yakupov is still evolving. Plus I think most Rangers fane would kill to have Gaborik's scoring back in the lineup over Brassard's terrible giveaways right now...

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Yakupov is by far the best player in the deal, and you have to give to get. Plus he won't hit UFA for a long time. Helps the Rangers now and in the future. We'd all like to trade Pyatt and a 3rd for him, but this isn't EA sports.
Your package and the video game package have one important thing in common, they are both extremes and there is a more reasonable middle ground.

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Long trip from Edmonton to NY just to see the ducks. Plenty of chances for them to watch Anaheim a lot closer to home, not as many to see the Rangers. Messier has intimate knowledge about the Ducks players? I'm not saying a trade is going to go down, but I doubt they were there to see the Ducks.
Easy stopover on their way to Florida, where the Oilers play tomorrow.

Edmonton needs goaltending.

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If Nash doesn't come back this team probably does not make the playoffs anyways, so any moves we do make should only be in the best interests of the team with or without Nash in tow.

NYR are probably more likely to pick up Hemsky for cheap in hopes he produces.

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I think that would be the main pieces
OK, so what else?



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Exactly. Kovalchuk is who he reminds/reminded me of.
Speaking of flight risks

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I'd love to have had Gaborik at the beginning of his career when he was healthy. Hell, I'd trade Del Zotto for a signed Gaborik at a reasonable contract 11 times out of 10.
Of course you would. By that wouldn't get it done.


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We are tied for the 2nd fewest goals for in the league with only the Flyers below us. Sure Yakupov has flaws, like most 20 year old players, but to scoff at acquiring him even though he will directly improve our biggest team flaw seems silly to me. Obviously the Rangers can't sell the farm for him, but if its a cost of Del Zotto, Miller and a 1st you have to do it.
We know next to nothing about Yakupov's NHL game so far. ~60 game sample size, almost all coming from a lockout-shortened season. Just stat watching and going off hearsay, but his stats don't look too shiny and I've heard people say he's been a healthy scratch for a handful of games this season. It is sort of his sophomore season though. To say he WILL improve Ranger scoring is looking into a crystal ball. Gaborik, Richards, and Nash were supposed to carry the offense of this team and look at what happened over the last 2 seasons. Richards dropped off the face of the earth, Gaborik couldn't score and was traded, and nobody had chemistry with anyone. Getting rid of the huge package and our own homegrown up-and-coming talent we would inevitably have to part with to get Yakupov will likely hurt the team more than help in the immediate and long run.

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We're a a little more than a year removed from the Nash trade, less than year removed from the Gaborik trade and now some people are ready to package multiple assets for this guy?

I don't get it.
What can I say? Its been quite evident over the years that plenty of fans love this video game mentality. Its no way to build a team in real life. In 1 year, we'll be flipping Yakupov or Nash to get those assets back.

The ironic thing is the one team that Sather let grow a bit together was the one that produced the most success in '11-12.

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Your package and the video game package have one important thing in common, they are both extremes and there is a more reasonable middle ground.
I'd be happy to give less, but Edmonton won't take it.

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Given that AV's MO is to install a simple system and let the player's creativity take it from there, I would think that he would be an ideal coach for a player with Yakupov's attitude.

Edit: I'm not trying to put out a pro or con opinion on this. Just pointing out some factors that may not be accounted for.
Vigneault wants to his players to take care of the puck. That's why Miller didn't play last night. He didn't manage the puck properly in the 2nd period of the Canes game. Lundqvist was yelling at him. AV wants his players to compete. Yakupov wants to score goals and not do anything else.

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Similar, much younger player. Gaborik was what he was when he came to the Rangers, Yakupov is still evolving. Plus I think most Rangers fane would kill to have Gaborik's scoring back in the lineup over Brassard's terrible giveaways right now...
All that tells me is that people would love to have Yakupov in hindsight after they trade him away somewhere down the line. Yakupov, in the best case, becomes Gaborik part two. Gaborik is a multi-time 40 goal scorer. That's what Yakupov does (or is supposed to do). He's not a dynamic playmaking presence. He's a give me the puck and let me shoot it player.

For all of the things Gabby was, he was never a malcontent. Yakupov might grow out of his "that's not how I'm going to play" phase, but it's a risk no matter how people want to try and justify it. I think Yakupov is going to be a good player, but does he really fit in with this team? This isn't Tortorella's school of shot blocking, but AV holds players accountable and wants them to be responsible at both ends of the ice. How much patience would he have for a player who flat out said he's not interested in that?

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Because Dolan needs his playoff money, we will never get a legit shot at drafting a talent like Yakupov. It's a high risk move for sure, but if we can work a decent deal around MDZ or Girardi, I would pull the trigger.

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Give me Yakupov. What would it take?

It would take a lot.

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Easy stopover on their way to Florida, where the Oilers play tomorrow.

Edmonton needs goaltending.
Why are MacTavish and Lowe on this trip?

Are they asking Messier for advice on Fredrick Andersson?

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It is a gamble, no question. But Nail was considered a consensus #1 pick with his talent, Filatov was not in the same ballpark.

Yakupov was supposed to be comparable with Stamkos, Hall, and Tavares. He most certainly has 100 point potential. Would you hold off trading MDZ for that because of risk? It depends on the GM and the situation the team is in. The Rangers have the depth to part with Del Zotto.

It is not in the interest of the NHL to lose 20% of its top forwards to the KHL just because they are one dimensional.
What defensive depth do the Rangers have? Stu Bickel? I'm always at a loss when people talk about defensive depth in the Rangers system, because there is literally next to no one of NHL caliber/readiness in the next 3 years aside from the obvious in McIlrath.

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Because Dolan needs his playoff money, we will never get a legit shot at drafting a talent like Yakupov. It's a high risk move for sure, but if we can work a decent deal around MDZ or Girardi, I would pull the trigger.
He needs playoff money? He doesn't need playoff money. The Rangers make more money in 41 games then other teams do 41 + Playoffs. The Rangers missed the playoffs for 7 years.

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