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11-06-2013, 02:33 AM
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Had a crazy dream that we traded MDZ and a 2nd to Washington for Eric Fehr, Philip Grubauer and a 1st

Need to drink more whiskey to blank out my dreams

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11-06-2013, 02:46 AM
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He has. I think Hagelin is more important to this team however.
Hagelin is the type of player that teams will overpay for if they need to get quicker.. i can see him being on the untouchable (overpay) list. he makes this team so much better cause of his speed. i wish NYR had more speed. i wonder if the Rangers will address that.. this team is not a fast skating team.. i hope by the deadline Zuccarello Pouliot Boyle Pyatt are gone...

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11-06-2013, 04:04 AM
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Eakins sat Yakuov for the last 10 minutes of the third and in OT. He didn't play on the 4 on 3 PP in OT. The coach doesn't trust him defensively. If a team is scouting the player,he barely played. Its all based on potential. This player isn't helping a team this season.

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11-06-2013, 04:18 AM
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Is there even a snowballs chance in hell you don't put out a goal scorer on a 4 on 3 PP for any reason? Just mind boggling why you wouldn't put him out there, especially if you're trying to showcase him. How bad would the 4 guys have to suck to get scored on 3v4

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11-06-2013, 05:40 AM
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so if we trade dz and moore and hypothetically stralsy and girardi walk, we go from being one of the deepest defensive teams in the league to marc staal and ryan mcdonagh playing 40minutes a game
I am not disputing your point, but you need to look at it from a LD/RD perspective.

At LD we have:
McD
Staal
MDZ
Moore
Falk
Allen


At RD we have:
Girardi
Strålman
McIlrath
Bickel

and the potential to use Moore and MDZ out of position as our 3rd pairing RD...

I think, no matter what, that if you have a Marc Staal or McD on a team, you should atleast play them just under or 50 minutes per night combined. 24-25 minutes per D. They only get better by playing more. And the same actually applies for MDZ. He is ready and able to play alot more minutes then he does right now, and he if anyone would grow if he more often was warmer when hitting the ice.

-So can we let Girardi and Strålman walk no matter what? Of course not. We then don't have a single NHL right D.

-So would it hurt us to deal both Moore and MDZ, IMO that creates a hole at 3rd pairing RD. I don't believe in Falk-McI. Allen could potentially fill in there. But OTOH, how big of a problem is that? Finding a 3rd pairing RD that can play 10 minutes per night can be accomplished by not giving up all that much.

-But, how much can we count on Staal? Everyone and anyone are concussed these days, don't we need backups? All legit questions. But from my point of view, we can't forget that this thing applies to all positions. We currently have alot more depth on LD than any other position.

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11-06-2013, 05:49 AM
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Eakins sat Yakuov for the last 10 minutes of the third and in OT. He didn't play on the 4 on 3 PP in OT. The coach doesn't trust him defensively. If a team is scouting the player,he barely played. Its all based on potential. This player isn't helping a team this season.
Yeah, but it is also a matter of pecking order.

Cause its pretty obvious that RNH, Hall, Eberle, Gagner and co cannot be trusted defensively either. They are the worst team in the league by far year after year after year.

I've followed the two Swedes in EDM over the years, Pääjärvi and Omark. A team can only give so many kids a good environment to develop in. You need to get good minutes, an opertunity to play with better players that can support you, you need to be developed in plain English, that apply's to everyone.

Yaks lined up with a Smyth that lost the little wheels he had 5-6 years ago and Gagner that lack fundamental 2-way abilities, backed up by very marginal Ds and no goalie. EDM has a first line with Eberle-RNH-Hemsky that gets the top minutes.

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Eakins sat Yakuov for the last 10 minutes of the third and in OT. He didn't play on the 4 on 3 PP in OT. The coach doesn't trust him defensively. If a team is scouting the player,he barely played. Its all based on potential. This player isn't helping a team this season.
Maybe super coach Dallas Eakins, who so many wanted in NY..... sucks???

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11-06-2013, 07:56 AM
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Maybe super coach Dallas Eakins, who so many wanted in NY..... sucks???
Or maybe just maybe the team is stacked with flawed one dimensional players and he needs time to put his stamp on it ?

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11-06-2013, 07:57 AM
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Is there even a snowballs chance in hell you don't put out a goal scorer on a 4 on 3 PP for any reason? Just mind boggling why you wouldn't put him out there, especially if you're trying to showcase him. How bad would the 4 guys have to suck to get scored on 3v4
First unit was RNH,Eberle,Gagner and Larsen.

Second unit was Hemsky,Smyth,Gordon and Arcobello.

Maybe the Oilers are not trying to showcase Yakupov because they are not looking to trade him. He received the 5th fewest even strength minutes on the team. He played 13 more seconds than Ryan Jones. The 4th line barely plays for Edmonton.

Yakupov isn't accomplishing much with the TOI he is receiving. He had a shot on goal from the right wing face off circle in the 2nd. Had a chance to shoot a puck in the third but passed the puck to Smyth. There was a sequence where Yakopov mishandled a pass and Florida came down other end to score a goal. No back check on the play.

If Yakupov was a Rangers prospect,people would clamoring for Sather to trade him and blasting the pick for being a bad pick or blasting the coach for not using the player properly. Now the Rangers should trade for him.

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Or maybe just maybe the team is stacked with flawed one dimensional players and he needs time to put his stamp on it ?
True but he had 17g last year... not every player is a fit for every coach.


Edmonton forwards are young and talented but with literally no defense or goaltending to speak of...

They really aren't an NHL caliber team. NYR are a perfect trade partner but not for crap like
Hemsky. I like the idea of Yak but there is risk, he's unproven.

Edmonton wants to keep all their best players and dangle Hemsky?

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11-06-2013, 08:08 AM
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First unit was RNH,Eberle,Gagner and Larsen.



If Yakupov was a Rangers prospect,people would clamoring for Sather to trade him and blasting the pick for being a bad pick or blasting the coach for not using the player properly. Now the Rangers should trade for him.
I'd think even with our bipolar fanbase we'd have a little more patience with a 20y old 1st overall player.

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11-06-2013, 08:13 AM
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Maybe super coach Dallas Eakins, who so many wanted in NY..... sucks???
Blaming Eakins would be akin to blaming AV for this team's crap start which hilariously enough people tried to do.

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11-06-2013, 08:15 AM
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First unit was RNH,Eberle,Gagner and Larsen.

Second unit was Hemsky,Smyth,Gordon and Arcobello.

Maybe the Oilers are not trying to showcase Yakupov because they are not looking to trade him. He received the 5th fewest even strength minutes on the team. He played 13 more seconds than Ryan Jones. The 4th line barely plays for Edmonton.

Yakupov isn't accomplishing much with the TOI he is receiving. He had a shot on goal from the right wing face off circle in the 2nd. Had a chance to shoot a puck in the third but passed the puck to Smyth. There was a sequence where Yakopov mishandled a pass and Florida came down other end to score a goal. No back check on the play.

If Yakupov was a Rangers prospect,people would clamoring for Sather to trade him and blasting the pick for being a bad pick or blasting the coach for not using the player properly. Now the Rangers should trade for him.
Maybe they are limiting his ice time so he doesn't get hurt while they are shopping him...

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Blaming Eakins would be akin to blaming AV for this team's crap start which hilariously enough people tried to do.
Fair enough however AV is a veteran and more accountable.

I should say Eakins is as unproven as many of his players yet he was the coach many wanted overall. ..

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It makes me sick to my stomach thinking what Sather may be up to.

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So the Oilers just recalled Linus Omark. Hmm..

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So the Oilers just recalled Linus Omark. Hmm..
Didn't they send him down like yesterday?

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So the Oilers just recalled Linus Omark. Hmm..
They played last night, maybe someone is hurt or getting sent down.

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They played last night, maybe someone is hurt or getting sent down.
Ooooor maybe a trade

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I am not disputing your point, but you need to look at it from a LD/RD perspective.

At LD we have:
McD
Staal
MDZ
Moore
Falk
Allen


At RD we have:
Girardi
Strålman
McIlrath
Bickel

and the potential to use Moore and MDZ out of position as our 3rd pairing RD...

I think, no matter what, that if you have a Marc Staal or McD on a team, you should atleast play them just under or 50 minutes per night combined. 24-25 minutes per D. They only get better by playing more. And the same actually applies for MDZ. He is ready and able to play alot more minutes then he does right now, and he if anyone would grow if he more often was warmer when hitting the ice.

-So can we let Girardi and Strålman walk no matter what? Of course not. We then don't have a single NHL right D.

-So would it hurt us to deal both Moore and MDZ, IMO that creates a hole at 3rd pairing RD. I don't believe in Falk-McI. Allen could potentially fill in there. But OTOH, how big of a problem is that? Finding a 3rd pairing RD that can play 10 minutes per night can be accomplished by not giving up all that much.

-But, how much can we count on Staal? Everyone and anyone are concussed these days, don't we need backups? All legit questions. But from my point of view, we can't forget that this thing applies to all positions. We currently have alot more depth on LD than any other position.
Pretty sure Allen is a right D. He shoots left but was on the right side in pre-season. The d-men he paired with were Staal and Falk. Allen played well. Calm with the puck--low panic threshold--skated well--defended well. Seems to have a little bit of offense to his game as well.

It should be LD--McDonagh, Staal, MDZ, Moore, Falk, Johnson, Skjei
RD-Girardi, Stralman, McIlrath, Allen, Bickel, Syvret.

Take away Girardi and/or Stralman--the right side is going to be a lot weaker. Take MDZ or even Moore out of LD and we're still pretty good. We probably could even manage without Staal. Agree with your assessment on both McDonagh and Staal--the more ice time the better they play. So both DZ or Moore are there to swing a deal if you get something back that you want--though it's nice to have extra D around going into the playoffs. Between Moore and DZ I'd prefer to keep Moore--bigger, better skater. Think Moore's skating would make him a better fit for the right side on the 3rd pair than DZ.

Back to the right side for a moment. Best case scenario is that one of McIlrath, Allen are in the NHL by next year. Younger players--cheaper contracts more cap friendly enabling more $ to plethora of free agent signings next year. Rangers cannot afford to lose both Girardi and Stralman and I would prefer both return next year with either McIlrath or Allen taking the bottom pairing job.

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Ooooor maybe a trade
With Anaheim.

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It's no secret that we have too many LDs.

McD
Staal
MDZ
Moore

Something has to give. MDZ isn't getting enough minutes as is, and will be looking for a healthy raise this offseason. He is easily the most tradeable of the bunch, so move him for some forward help.

To be honest, losing MDZ doesn't hurt our blueline that much, as he isn't getting the minutes he needs to excel. He is one of those players that gets better with increased minutes. Hell, when Staal went down, he was, IMO, our best Dman for a pretty long stretch. He plays with an edge for an offensive Dman. He has value. If he can be the main piece in a trade for Yakupov, all the better. This is the absolute MAX I would do in a trade for Yakupov:

MDZ
One of Lindberg/Fast
One of 2nd/B prospect (think Hrivik/Jean/St. Croix/Fogarty)

I would also want some warm bodies back from EDM for HFD, but that could be worked out. Who I don't trade as a secondary piece in a Yak/MDZ swap:

Kreider
Miller
Kristo
McIlrath

Any of our RD depth (besides Bick-LOL) is out of the question for me. No Girardi, No Stralman, and No McIlrath.

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Eakins is a psycho, total control freak.
Unbelievable how coaches continue to get blamed for disciplining players who straight up refuse to play a complete game.

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Unbelievable how coaches continue to get blamed for disciplining players who straight up refuse to play a complete game.
Unbelievable how posters make assumptions without even knowing what the other person is taking about.

Never said Eakins was Yak's problem. Just pointing out that he is crazy.

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