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11-12-2013, 05:57 PM
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Just want to comment that, although Yakupov is not big, he's a feisty player that hits and is known to take runs at opposing players. He's not soft.

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11-12-2013, 07:20 PM
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Jordan Staal has 4 points in 17 games

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Jordan Staal has 4 points in 17 games
I never did understand all the hype about him on HF when he was with the Pens and included in trade proposals.

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I think people have huge perception problems if they think Gallagher is in a whole other world than Yakupov. Especially when we're looking at the big picture and potential (and likely) upside.
This.
Cant wait for Yakupov to prove all the haters wrong.

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11-12-2013, 07:44 PM
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Jordan Staal has 4 points in 17 games
J. Staal's game isn't really measured in offensive statistics, but the real problem in Carolina is the quality of shooting from the forwards. They generate as many shots per game as the next team, don't get blocked overly often, but they miss a LOT of shots on goal, and must have the lowest shooting percentage of any team - certainly forward groups - in the league.

Now sure, Staal is one of those guys. But pucks are getting into scoring opportunities, and guys like Skinner, Elder Staal, Semin, Gerbe, and Tlusty are all rocking single digit Sh%...

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11-12-2013, 09:48 PM
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J. Staal's game isn't really measured in offensive statistics, but the real problem in Carolina is the quality of shooting from the forwards. They generate as many shots per game as the next team, don't get blocked overly often, but they miss a LOT of shots on goal, and must have the lowest shooting percentage of any team - certainly forward groups - in the league.

Now sure, Staal is one of those guys. But pucks are getting into scoring opportunities, and guys like Skinner, Elder Staal, Semin, Gerbe, and Tlusty are all rocking single digit Sh%...
They've actually had some pretty awful luck, though some guys, like Semin, are also underachieving. And I just don't think Jordan Staal is that good offensively. He's a great defensive player but his usage in Pittsburgh didn't really hold him back, as even in a top 6 role most of his points seem to come from good defensive work. He's just not that creative or skilled. Still a huge asset for the possession game though.

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11-12-2013, 09:56 PM
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Watching that interview, all I see are vulchers trying to goad a poor english speaker into making a bad sound byte.

Secondly, I get the impression that Edmonton sucks at developing their youngsters. They've done nothing to make him feel comfortable. It sounds like Yakapuv has no friends on the team. It doesn't sound like they've supported him and given him the tools to succeed.

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J. Staal's game isn't really measured in offensive statistics, but the real problem in Carolina is the quality of shooting from the forwards. They generate as many shots per game as the next team, don't get blocked overly often, but they miss a LOT of shots on goal, and must have the lowest shooting percentage of any team - certainly forward groups - in the league.

Now sure, Staal is one of those guys. But pucks are getting into scoring opportunities, and guys like Skinner, Elder Staal, Semin, Gerbe, and Tlusty are all rocking single digit Sh%...
Skinner is injured and has 9 points in 10 games, pretty good even with a low shooting percentage.

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Watching that interview, all I see are vulchers trying to goad a poor english speaker into making a bad sound byte.
Vulchers and poor english... yeah, definitely not a good mix...

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Vulchers and poor english... yeah, definitely not a good mix...
vodka and cranberry are a GOOD mix right now tho

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11-12-2013, 11:24 PM
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Brodeur claims Jagr told him this morning that he wouldn't get the shutout but that they would win 3-2. When asked about it:
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"I just know things. I also know we're going to win the Stanley Cup. Don't tell anybody."
So the Devils are winning the cup apparently.

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J. Staal's game isn't really measured in offensive statistics, but the real problem in Carolina is the quality of shooting from the forwards. They generate as many shots per game as the next team, don't get blocked overly often, but they miss a LOT of shots on goal, and must have the lowest shooting percentage of any team - certainly forward groups - in the league.

Now sure, Staal is one of those guys. But pucks are getting into scoring opportunities, and guys like Skinner, Elder Staal, Semin, Gerbe, and Tlusty are all rocking single digit Sh%...
He's in his first year of a 60M/10y deal, I think offensive stats are definitely part of his game. He's on pace for his worst productive season by far.

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11-13-2013, 12:09 AM
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Man, OEL is so awesome.

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11-13-2013, 06:12 AM
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Skinner is injured and has 9 points in 10 games, pretty good even with a low shooting percentage.
Still, 3 goals on 36 shots is a far cry from the 40+ goal proficiency that was predicted to follow his 30 goal rookie campaign.

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11-13-2013, 06:31 AM
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Jordan Staal has 4 points in 17 games
At 6 mil a year and with 2nd line minutes, that's Gomez-like.

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11-13-2013, 06:36 AM
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J. Staal's game isn't really measured in offensive statistics, but the real problem in Carolina is the quality of shooting from the forwards. They generate as many shots per game as the next team, don't get blocked overly often, but they miss a LOT of shots on goal, and must have the lowest shooting percentage of any team - certainly forward groups - in the league.

Now sure, Staal is one of those guys. But pucks are getting into scoring opportunities, and guys like Skinner, Elder Staal, Semin, Gerbe, and Tlusty are all rocking single digit Sh%...
You don't pay a guy that massive contract to be a PK specialist.

65 GP 12-23-35 and -21 for what they paid in assets and money for that guy is a huge bust. I'm sure they were expecting a Kesler type emergeance and he's gone the other way.

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The only things that have been leaked out in the media are from his agent, who, by the way, is the same as Galchenyuk.

Totally unfair to make off-ice assumptions out of what an agent says. It's as if people started calling Halak out when Walsh started crying in the medias.

It's not like I would offer Gallagher from the start. I would try my best not to. That being said, people acting as if Gallagher was in a whole other class than Yakupov should take off the pink-coloured glasses. Galchenyuk and Yakupov are at a whole other level than Gallagher. What you see is what you get with Brendan Gallagher. Yakupov and Galchenyuk? These guys haven't even scratched the surface. We're talking about potential franchise players here.
It's not about what the agent said, it's about what he said...complaining about role and ice time. He started the season playing a pile of minutes and playing like crap, he should take the blame instead of blaming the coaches for his play.

I still think he will mature and be an excellent player, his comments raise a red flag though.

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11-13-2013, 06:56 AM
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Watching that interview, all I see are vulchers trying to goad a poor english speaker into making a bad sound byte.

Secondly, I get the impression that Edmonton sucks at developing their youngsters. They've done nothing to make him feel comfortable. It sounds like Yakapuv has no friends on the team. It doesn't sound like they've supported him and given him the tools to succeed.
Yup, some team will be very happy trading for him and putting him in the right environment.

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11-13-2013, 07:01 AM
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I think Yakupov could really excel in Montreal. His goal scoring flare would make him a star, and having Galchenyuk certainly helps. IMHO a top sniping winger is the teams primary future need, we need our Phil Kessel. This could be a great buy low opportunity.

What would we be willing to give up to get him? For me, I'd try to keep the young roster players, but vets and/or prospects would be on the table.

We could build a competitive package around Fucale, one of McCarron/Collberg, and one of Tinordi/Beaulieu.
OK enough. Tinordi keeps coming up here. Talk about filling one need (with a player who is not proven at all) while completely ****ing up another one.

No way I would include Tinordi in a deal for yaks. No way.


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11-13-2013, 07:09 AM
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I couldn't do that deal either...
I would do Gallagher for Yaks. Way more before I do Tinordi. I love Gallagher, but he will be done by age 28.His value will never be higher. However, big loss in the room. That would worry me.

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I would do Gallagher for Yaks. Way more before I do Tinordi. I love Gallagher, but he will be done by age 28.His value will never be higher. However, big loss in the room. That would worry me.
No way would I trade Gallagher for yak . Gallagher will play for another 15 years. Future captain material.

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11-13-2013, 07:35 AM
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Another reason why the Oilers are so badly managed. All this shouldn't happened in public. Now everyone is mad. Team is a mess. Everybody is talking about Yakupov. The agent has to intervene. This won't help their lockeroom. This won't help Yakupov's value.

This reminds me a lot of Grabovski. Good player not happy with his ice-time because team has no room in top6. Bad communication between player and management. Things go in public. Big fuss about it. Player is portrayed as a cancer, not team player, value goes down big time, traded for peanuts, new team gives him icetime and he becomes good player, very well-liked by teammates and fans.

Say what you want but russians has to be treated a little bit differently. They are not well spoken or media trained like north american players. If a team doesn't want this kind of problems, they should have a good communication with russian players because they will get eaten alive by the media who will trick them to say controversial things.

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Vernon Fiddler wants out of Dallas. He could be a good option for our 4th line. Good PK guy and decent face off guy (54%).


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Plus his name is Fiddler.

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He is not a diddler.

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