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11-04-2013, 05:09 PM
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agree with you there BUT - forwards are coming in to help out in low end partially because the D were doing poor job with initial outlet passes putting pucks in skates and not clearing properly. Making poor decisions and mishandling pucks. Very jumpy looking to me. Improvement I saw in the Bruin game was a result of much quicker reads and better positional play and execution. Regardless of improvement, they still were hemmed in their own end bit too much for my liking.

I have no problem and like Hamonic's reaction but the truth is that the d has not been a strength of this team. We're a couple of years out before we get help from the young guys coming up unless we get the help outside of organization.
It really depends on the play, but I know what you're talking about. On the play I was talking about vs the Sens, their were 3 Islanders(Hamonic, Bouchard, and Regin) close to the corner, their was 1 senators player (Ryan) close to the corner and Hamonic does a good job to beat Ryan to the puck and tries to clear the puck out, but the support by the forwards wasn't very good.

Just watch the play.
http://islanders.nhl.com/gamecenter/...?id=2013020194
Ryan's goal.

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11-04-2013, 05:31 PM
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I disagree. Hamonic is having a great season imo, if you look at his +/- you wouldn't think so. The +/- stat is very misleading, Hamonic was on the ice for A LOT of soft goals let in by Nabokov this season. An example would be the Canucks game when he was a -2 on 2 VERY soft goals. He was also a -3 vs the Sens and Nabokov wasn't good at all. His partner has been brutal with the turnovers, getting beat a lot to the outside, and losing puck battles along the boards.

People are too obsess with "this player isn't a #1 dman or #2 dman". Hamonic can ABSOLUTELY play on a top pairing, Amac obviously can't. Hamonic is playing 25 minutes per game against the other teams top lines, usually always wins the battles along the boards, makes a good first pass breaking out of the zone. He's still pretty young, only 23, 1 month older than JT.

I still think the problem with the defense isn't just the defenseman, its the forwards as well. The wingers haven't been in good position in the defensive zone, they pinch way too deep, they should be up higher by the point. They have a tough time getting the puck out of the zone. I blame the coach for that though. An example of this is from the Sens game on the Bobby Ryan goal. A lose puck goes into the corner, Hamonic and Ryan go hard after it, Hamonic gets to the puck first and passes it off the boards. PMB is way out of position, Regin is their to get the puck out of the zone and fails to do so which leads to a goal.
i'm with you. i think the term '1st pairing dman', is very subjective. statistically, there are 60 1st pairing dmen in the league (each team has 2). obviously, some are better than others. Hammer fits into the top 60, IMO. ergo, 1st pairing defenceman... quite a drop off after him, though. IMO.

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The title is misleading, he was pretty much saying that the defense has been good in the past 2 games, which is true.
Go read the piece over at Point Blank. My understand of it is he thinks the defense is fine.


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11-04-2013, 07:41 PM
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I respect you Hamonic a lot....but if you guys want respect as a group, try playing better against the rags. so many of us are still pissed at your horrible showing last week

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More than anything, I like that it wasn't a canned response. That makes me feel that Travis wasn't "just saying it" to be PC, he really feels that way.

Fine with me, as long as they get the job done.

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I respect you Hamonic a lot....but if you guys want respect as a group, try playing better against the rags. so many of us are still pissed at your horrible showing last week
Are you talking to Hamonic or someone on this board? Pretty sure no one here suited up against the rags last week.

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When I said Hamonic makes a good first pass breaking out of the zone, I meant when the forwards are also in the defensive zone. Not the long passes when the forwards are in the neutral zone. He really hasn't made those passes a lot this year anyway, he's been carrying the puck up the ice instead or just gives it to Amac. I agree though, that is definitely something he needs to work on. Hamonic's my favorite player so I focus on him a lot when he's on the ice. If your not watching him closely you won't notice the little things he does great at.
I see what your saying. I agree, he is not a bad passer by any means.

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11-05-2013, 01:09 AM
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shows leadership to take it personally and defend the teammates. Gotta love the Hammer!

I hope he makes Team Canada. He's been excellent this year and he's showing some offense, carrying the puck more. Maybe he's not among the best seven or eight Canadian defensemen, yet, but he's close.

What a sweet contract for such a player who's just 23.
I don't think you can characterize anybody on our backend as having played "excellent". The only one close to playing that way is Hickey....

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I don't think you can characterize anybody on our backend as having played "excellent". The only one close to playing that way is Hickey....
If Hickey was playing close to excellent he would be averaging more than 18 minutes per game and playing against better lines. End of story. I think Hickey's playing well, but not even close to Hamonic at all.


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Are you talking to Hamonic or someone on this board? Pretty sure no one here suited up against the rags last week.
Well he's either listening to the radio, reading the papers, or reading blogs. He's knows somehow that we dislike the d, because he spoke of it.

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Well he's either listening to the radio, reading the papers, or reading blogs. He's knows somehow that we dislike the d, because he spoke of it.
They hear it HERE. The only honest place in Islanderland

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If Hickey was playing close to excellent he would be averaging more than 18 minutes per game and playing against better lines. End of story. I think Hickey's playing well, but not even close to Hamonic at all.
I'll bet all the Hickey lovers are short people. They stick up for each other.

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I don't envision this team sustaining any kind of success if Viz/Strait are out long term, if that's the case (and we haven't heard ANY updates), additions are necessary. Same applies to the goaltending.

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I love it. Hes standing up for his teammates while they get ripped apart in the media. D-market is real tough for a trade. This is what we got now. Hamonic slowly becoming a leader on the backend

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They hear it HERE. The only honest place in Islanderland

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Love to hear what Travis has to say tonight. Brutal.

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Hamonic's views on the Islanders D are as good as his play on the ice (hint, not good). Maybe he needs glasses or to watch some film. I hear watching film sometimes makes you learn to become a better player.

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Hamonic's views on the Islanders D are as good as his play on the ice (hint, not good). Maybe he needs glasses or to watch some film. I hear watching film sometimes makes you learn to become a better player.
So we need to get Bruno back, sit him in the projector room, and wait for Denis Potvin to walk out? Player development is not a strong suit in this organization, but what we are watching on the ice is a by product of neglect.
Now, lets blame the players some more...

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Its the right thing to say. Harmonic is an upstanding guy. He will leave it to us to bash the D.
Besides, he can be as honest as he wants, it won't make the D any more talented.

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If Hickey was playing close to excellent he would be averaging more than 18 minutes per game and playing against better lines. End of story. I think Hickey's playing well, but not even close to Hamonic at all.
Right because Capuano is a stud coach, OR there is an automated system for minutes based on play.

Hamonic is playing a lot of minutes based on past performance. I'm not saying to cut his minutes at all, but I'm definitely saying they have not been "excellent" minutes by any means. Your retort about minutes played means as much as a winter coat in Egypt....

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I'll bet all the Hickey lovers are short people. They stick up for each other.
LMAO, I'm not even close to being a "Hickey Lover" which is actually not allowed to be used on these boards. Nonetheless, this is the first season I've seen Hickey playing very well and because I have common sense and a good eye for the game i'm apt to point it out even if some people don't see it because they aren't intelligent viewers. Nobody on our D is playing excellent, and Hickey had a lousy first pass leading to a giveaway tonight. Still, he's performed above average and has been a bright spot in a bucket of mud.

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LMAO, I'm not even close to being a "Hickey Lover" which is actually not allowed to be used on these boards. Nonetheless, this is the first season I've seen Hickey playing very well and because I have common sense and a good eye for the game i'm apt to point it out even if some people don't see it because they aren't intelligent viewers. Nobody on our D is playing excellent, and Hickey had a lousy first pass leading to a giveaway tonight. Still, he's performed above average and has been a bright spot in a bucket of mud.
I hate those one touch passes! When I was growing up my coaches always said "two hands on your stick and make a quick hard pass". I see the Islanders making so many of those passes and they are 50/50 at best. The ones that do get through could easily go the other way if the puck gets deflected. You're first priority there is to get it over the blue line and make them retreat the zone. All Hickey had to do on that play was bank it off the boards. That's a case of not making a smart decision with the puck. It's kind of like a QB throwing the ball away instead of forcing a low percentage pass.

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Right because Capuano is a stud coach, OR there is an automated system for minutes based on play.

Hamonic is playing a lot of minutes based on past performance. I'm not saying to cut his minutes at all, but I'm definitely saying they have not been "excellent" minutes by any means. Your retort about minutes played means as much as a winter coat in Egypt....
When you're playing 7 more minutes than the other guy you will probably notice more mistakes especially playing against the top lines, that's my point. It's tough to say Hamonic's been excellent considering his partner has been brutal as well as his goalie giving up huge rebounds and soft goals. There were so many times that Amac could have gotten the puck out, but turned the puck over, which kept them in the defensive zone. Also, plays with the puck too much and then gets stuck along the boards and the forward takes the puck from him.

Most of the best defenseman in the league have a legit top pairing defenseman alongside them.

Karlsson- Methot
Weber- Jones
Keith- Seabrook
McDonagh- Girardi
Subban- Markov
Pietrangelo- Bouwmeester
Suter- Brodin
Edler- Garrison
OEL- Michalek


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LMAO, I'm not even close to being a "Hickey Lover" which is actually not allowed to be used on these boards. Nonetheless, this is the first season I've seen Hickey playing very well and because I have common sense and a good eye for the game i'm apt to point it out...
I for one am with you here.

Hickey has been a plus factor for us this year and in my book, has shown that he's an NHL player - a smart one at that.

He's a little older than most 'prospects', but considering how little NHL time he's had, his learning curve at this level has been outstanding.

And that despite the lack of ideal size, he's got some pitbull bite in him.

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