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07-22-2005, 02:50 PM
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Markets eligible for revenue sharing...

So, on the NHL's little FAQ thing, it has this lovely ditty.

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REVENUE SHARING

Will enhanced revenue sharing be part of the new CBA?

Yes. The League has committed to enhanced revenue sharing in an amount that is necessary to allow all Clubs the ability to afford competitive payrolls within the payroll range.

What Clubs will be eligible for revenue-sharing subsidies?

All Clubs that: (1) are ranked in the bottom half (bottom 15) in League revenues, and (2) operate in markets with a Demographic Market Area of 2.5 million or fewer TV households.
So I went through and ran the numbers. I can't find any TV market size data on the Canadian cities, so anyone with thoseo numbers would be much loved. It also assumes that NJ, NYI and NYR are all in the New York media market and ANA and LA are in the LA market. SJ is definitely in the San Fransisco market, according to Nielsen ratings.

Here's the teams that are eligible.
BUF (30th in revenues, 651,000 TVs)
PIT (29th in revenues, 1.186 TVs)
CAR (28th in revenues, 966,00 TVs)
EDM (26th in revenues, ? in TVs)
PHX (25th in revenues, 1.596 million TVs)
NSH (24th in revenues, 916,000 TVs)
ATL (23rd in revenues, 2.059 million TVs)
FLA (22nd in revenues, 1.496 million TVs)
WAS (20th in revenues, 2.241 million TVs)
STL (18th in revenues, 1.216 million TVs)
CBJ (17th in revenues, 867,000 TVs)
CAL (16th in revenues, ? TVs)

Edited because decimal places are my friends.


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Where did you get the revenue figures from? I'm a little skeptical to see the CBJ at 17th, even with no playoff revenue.

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Where did you get the revenue figures from? I'm a little skeptical to see the CBJ at 17th, even with no playoff revenue.
Why? They've had a ton of sellouts.

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Numbers were from Forbes, as copied onto this page.

http://www.andrewsstarspage.com/NHL-...3-04forbes.htm

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I think they have comitted the top 10 teams to between $30 and $80 mil of revenue sharing to the bottom teams. If they meet some minimum requirements. Money that can come from the escrow account and playoff revenue.

If you let the Sens win this year, you wont have to give us any revenue sharing probably. Come on, make some money for your owners guys, let us win.

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I can't find any TV market size data on the Canadian cities
The only city with market size of more than 2.5 million T.V. could possibly be Toronto.

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The only city with market size of more than 2.5 million T.V. could possibly be Toronto.
Neilsen ratings are based off the "television population" of the city and the surrounding area.

The greater Toronto general population is 5 million +
The greater Montreal general population is 3.607 million
I got too lazy to look up the rest, but I think Montreal might be exempt as well.

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If Washington and Atlanta are under it then Montreal will be too.

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I'm sure Cal and Edm qualify

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I'm pretty sure that Calgary and Edmonton are small enough. I really have no clue about Vancouver or Ottawa, though I suspect they're small enough. I thought Montreal and Toronto might be too big.

It doesn't matter, anyways. Calgary (15th in revenue), Vancouver (11th in revenue), Montreal (8th in revenue) and Toronto (2nd in revenue) don't qualify for revenue sharing on the first count.

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the tv viewer requirement was set in specifically to make sure chicago doesn't get revenue sharing...they are a big market team and just because wirtz refuses to put them on tv doesn't make them a small market team...

it also prevents other big market teams from trying to play around with #s to end up on the receiving end of revenue sharing.

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I'm pretty sure that Calgary and Edmonton are small enough. I really have no clue about Vancouver or Ottawa, though I suspect they're small enough. I thought Montreal and Toronto might be too big.

It doesn't matter, anyways. Calgary (15th in revenue), Vancouver (11th in revenue), Montreal (8th in revenue) and Toronto (2nd in revenue) don't qualify for revenue sharing on the first count.
Vancouver definitely has a market larger than 2.5 million so they would not qualify in any case...

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In an odd twist, Adelphia as part of the previous ownership's group of companies, kept the Sabres off public airwaves in southern Ontario. If they get a deal for even a limited return on one of the major outlets in town (the NBC affiliate who carried the games up through the mid-'80's is interested), they get substantially more TV market share since it would be piped acrossed the border.

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Vancouver definitely has a market larger than 2.5 million so they would not qualify in any case...
No. It's 2.5M TV Households, not 2.5M population.

It looks like every Canadian market, including Toronto (barely), qualifies.

From Nielsen Canada ( www.nielsenmedia.ca ):

http://www.nielsenmedia.ca/English/U...20DMA%20UE.pdf
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Nielsen Media Research / Recherche Média Nielsen
DMA Population by Demographic - January 2005 Estimates (000) -- Ranked on TV Households
Population MD par groupe démographique - Estimations (000) Janvier 2005 -- Classée selon les foyers TV

DMA/MD TV HHLDS/FOYERS
TORONTO/HAMILTON 2492
MONTREAL (FRENCH) 1527
VANCOUVER 1258
CALGARY 514
For comarison, the top 10 US DMAs:

http://www.nielsenmedia.com/DMAs.html
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Nielsen Media Research Local Universe Estimates* (US)

*Estimates used throughout the 2004-2005 television season which starts on September 20, 2004

RANK Designated Market Area (DMA) - TV Homes - % of US
1 New York - 7,355,710 - 6.712
2 Los Angeles - 5,431,140 - 4.956
3 Chicago - 3,417,330 - 3.118
4 Philadelphia - 2,919,410 - 2.664

5 Boston (Manchester) - 2,391,840 - 2.183
6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose - 2,359,870 - 2.153
7 Dallas-Ft. Worth - 2,292,760 - 2.092
8 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) - 2,241,610 - 2.045
9 Atlanta - 2,059,450 - 1.879
10 Detroit - 1,943,930 - 1.774
The only US markets affected are New York, LA, Chicago, and Philly - Rangers, Isles, Devils, Kings, Ducks, Hawks, and Flyers.

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