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11-06-2013, 12:11 PM
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Flyers fans thinking they have a good roster on paper.

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11-06-2013, 12:11 PM
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I've always shaken my head at the false narrative surrounding momentum/fatigue.

If a team coming off a seven-game series beats a team coming off a series sweep, it's because they had momentum. If they lose, it's because they were fatigued.

If a team coming off a series sweep beats a team coming off a seven-game series, it's because they were rested. If they lose, it's because they lost their momentum/were out of sync/forgot how to play hockey.
This annoys the heck out of me as well.

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11-06-2013, 12:16 PM
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To me that doesn't make sense. Players thrive and dwindle in a variety of circumstances, and the playoffs carry with them a new set of circumstances that will allow certain players to "step-up". Your best player's skillset just may not work well with the playoff atmosphere. You can't expect a speedy, heavy-power-play-scoring forward to thrive in a clutch and grab, no penalties environment.
If your best players skillset doesn't allow them to thrive in the P/O's, you're team is not going to succeed, and that's on the player IMO.

And I totally disagree with your basic premise. While the P/O's typically have less PP's, that's partially due having good teams that are probably playing more disciplined. If you're a PP specialist, you shouldn't be leading the team. And regardless - the P/O's are what seperates the winners from the stat compilers.

A team's "core" should be the players who are expected to be difference makers. When a teams core doesn't produce, likely they're going to get bounced from the P/O's. I'm not saying that the complimentary players don't impact the game, but I can't remember when a team won the Cup without having their core player contribute.

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11-06-2013, 01:00 PM
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"This team is more deserving of a cup than that team because this team has more fans than that team."
Or this set of fans have waited longer. There are some fans that go their entire lives without seeing their team win.

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11-06-2013, 01:01 PM
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Flyers fans thinking they have a good roster on paper.
They have some good pieces but they don't fit together at all. And that's about as big of a compliment I'll ever give the Flyers.

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11-06-2013, 01:16 PM
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They have some good pieces but they don't fit together at all. And that's about as big of a compliment I'll ever give the Flyers.


Who? Mason is playing well, Voracek, Giroux (not counting his start), Vinny maybe. Hartnell has been bad for a while. Simmonds shows up twice a month. Couts, shcenn etc are and have always been overrated.

I wouldnt say a single D-man on their team is a good piece. Streit was losing it and was visible all last season. Don't get me wrong I didnt think they would be this bad, but on paper they are a middling team.

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11-06-2013, 01:16 PM
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11-06-2013, 01:22 PM
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"While I'm debating using facts you provide no proof of anything"

Aka I'm a stats guy hear me roar
"Those stats don't mean anything because <insert anecdotal evidence>"

Aka I know better by just watching.

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11-06-2013, 01:38 PM
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That the better team always wins a game or a series. Believe it or not, hockey isn't played in a vacuum.

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11-06-2013, 02:17 PM
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That the better team always wins a game or a series. Believe it or not, hockey isn't played in a vacuum.
Most people simply don't realize just how much luck goes into winning a playoff series/the Cup.

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11-06-2013, 02:48 PM
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"Those stats don't mean anything because <insert anecdotal evidence>"

Aka I know better by just watching.
This is also true. It's a fine line to be on the right side of the fallacies of argument and be correct. 95% of people just can't pull it off and don't know how silly they look. Myself included.

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11-06-2013, 03:09 PM
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- Sophmore slump
- We signed him for the playoffs.

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11-06-2013, 03:15 PM
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Most people simply don't realize just how much luck goes into winning a playoff series/the Cup.
We were a couple bounces away from having the 2 cup finalists eliminated in the first/second rounds.

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11-06-2013, 03:21 PM
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Your team was outshot, so it didn't deserve to win.

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11-06-2013, 03:36 PM
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"If it weren't for that one mistake, they would have won/the game would have been even."

Because you can always do the exact same thing for the other team, going the other way: "If it weren't for that one mistake, they would have won that handily."
You don't get to pretend your favorite team didn't make crucial mistakes and not give the exact same credit to the other team. But it seems like everyone wants to think all things that happen on the ice are only due to their favorite team's players and not two teams competing. It's always "(my favorite team) played poorly" and rarely "the other team forced them off their game."

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11-06-2013, 03:49 PM
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It's so funny because just about all of these arguments are the worst sort of black and white thinking.

"If ____ then _____." Everything is the direct causation of something horrible or something wonderful. There is no in-between. All or nothing, baby!!!

That's why most of these fan rationales are so infuriatingly frustrating.

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11-06-2013, 03:56 PM
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People who out way too much stock in the season series between two teams before they play a playoff series. Monumental difference between playing four games against a team scattered over 82 games with each team playing their own schedule and a four to seven straight games between the two teams with everything on the line. I don't know statistically how good of an indicator season series of who will win the playoff series is but just anecdotally it seems people routinely put way too much stock into the season series as the playoff series doesn't always follow.

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11-06-2013, 04:01 PM
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RFA vs. UFA, I stumble across an astounding number of people on here who can't understand how that impacts the contract

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11-06-2013, 04:02 PM
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People who out way too much stock in the season series between two teams before they play a playoff series. Monumental difference between playing four games against a team scattered over 82 games with each team playing their own schedule and a four to seven straight games between the two teams with everything on the line. I don't know statistically how good of an indicator season series of who will win the playoff series is but just anecdotally it seems people routinely put way too much stock into the season series as the playoff series doesn't always follow.
I wouldn't say that's ridiculous. People are just going on what information they have. But you're right that it's unreasonable to put a lot of stock in it or insist that such information is unimpeachable. People get crazy 'round the playoffs. The time between the announcement of the match-up and the first game of the series is especially psychotic with unreasonable projections.

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Signing a borderline NHLer to a bad contract and calling it adding playoff experience from a playoff run he had... watching from the press box.

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Erik Johnson is a top line defenseman.

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11-06-2013, 04:15 PM
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We got beat by a larger more physical team in the playoffs, lets go out and sign some physical third and four liners who we won't actually play and draft some big physical kids in the draft who won't actually make the team for three or four years.

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11-06-2013, 04:20 PM
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Completely disagree. Doughty singehandely carried LA to the cup and therefore is better than anyone.

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Erik Johnson is a top line defenseman.
He is... he would be a hell of a lot more if his development wasn't stunting with that ACL tear from golfing.

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