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11-12-2013, 03:12 PM
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This guy is KHL bound by years end
I wouldn't say that. He can't go to the KHL while under contract unless edmonton allows it, and I can't see any reason why they would allow it. Larionov will push for a trade before they jump ship to the KHL.

But if Yakupov is still struggling when his contract is up, and some KHL team throws a bunch of money at him, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him leave.

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11-12-2013, 03:18 PM
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If he so badly wanted the money in KHL, why didn't he just stay there? The KHL threat is so exagerrated around here. How many top players has left for KHL?
Have you ever heard of Ilya Kovalchuk?

How many Russian players have played in the NHL only to play in the KHL?

Radulov,Filatov and Burmistrov played junior hockey in the CHL. They played in the NHL. Where are they now?

Grachev played in the CHL. Played in the AHL and NHL. Where is he playing now?

They try the NHL and go back to the KHL.

Burmistrov said he wanted no part of the KHL. He said that in his draft meetings in 2010. He clashed with Claude Noel. Winnipeg tried to trade him at the trading deadline. One deal was for Drew Stafford. The other deal was for Kyle Okposo. The other was for Jakob Silfverberg. None of them materialized. The Russian factor.

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Contacted Tuesday, Burmistrov's agent Mark Gandler had little to say.

"The only question I'm going to answer is to say that Alex is not going to sign in the KHL," said the longtime NHL agent.

Asked a number of questions, including if Burmistrov wanted to be traded, Gandler stuck to his response, repeatedly offering a variety of Burmistrov-to-KHL denials.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opi...208450711.html

It looked like Burmistrov was different. No.

There are already warning signs with Yakupov. He doesn't see eye to eye with the coach. The agent.

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11-12-2013, 03:23 PM
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I wouldn't say that. He can't go to the KHL while under contract unless edmonton allows it, and I can't see any reason why they would allow it. Larionov will push for a trade before they jump ship to the KHL.

But if Yakupov is still struggling when his contract is up, and some KHL team throws a bunch of money at him, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him leave.
True, what I should have said is he will jump as soon as he gets the chance. Doesn't look like they are going to trade him.

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Grachev not staying in the NHL wasn't his choice. Same with Filatov. 60% of his time in his last two seasons in North America were in the AHL.

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Have you ever heard of Ilya Kovalchuk?

How many Russian players have played in the NHL only to play in the KHL?

Radulov,Filatov and Burmistrov played junior hockey in the CHL. They played in the NHL. Where are they now?

Grachev played in the CHL. Played in the AHL and NHL. Where is he playing now?

They try the NHL and go back to the KHL.

Burmistrov said he wanted no part of the KHL. He said that in his draft meetings in 2010. He clashed with Claude Noel. Winnipeg tried to trade him at the trading deadline. One deal was for Drew Stafford. The other deal was for Kyle Okposo. The other was for Jakob Silfverberg. None of them materialized. The Russian factor.



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It looked like Burmistrov was different. No.

There are already warning signs with Yakupov. He doesn't see eye to eye with the coach. The agent.
I agree with you 100%. Yak move would be very risky...is this team that desperate? I don't think so. The Rangers are a good hockey team, what is motivating them to take such a huge risk on this guy? I just can't see them making a deal for him.

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11-12-2013, 03:55 PM
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Serious question -- are seriously talented Russians the only players that seem to just shut down when confronted with any sort of adversity, or does it just seem that way?

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If he is a flight risk to the KHL then maybe the devils are interested

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Larionov needs to keep his mouth shut. The player cries to the agent and the agent makes noise. It always seems to happen with the Russian guys. Everyone knows the names of the Russian player agents. These guys are trouble. Its not a racist remark. Larionov wants to talk with Eakins. You guys want this nonsense on the Rangers?



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MacTavish told the Edmonton Sun last week that Yakupov isn't going anywhere.

Its not the agent's place to take to the coach about the player.
You are right, but only since generally disliking Russians is not racist but discriminatory. Russian is not a race... go figure

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11-12-2013, 04:08 PM
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Serious question -- are seriously talented Russians the only players that seem to just shut down when confronted with any sort of adversity, or does it just seem that way?
Yeah they're actually born with a condition in their brain that doesn't allow them to deal with adversity. But only Russians and only seriously talented ones. The ones that have the seriously talented gene.

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Yeah they're actually born with a condition in their brain that doesn't allow them to deal with adversity. But only Russians and only seriously talented ones. The ones that have the seriously talented gene.
I know you're trying to be funny, trying being the operative word, but other highly touted players tend to keep their mouths shut during the process of developing as a player.

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11-12-2013, 04:15 PM
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I know you're trying to be funny, trying being the operative word, but other highly touted players tend to keep their mouths shut during the process of developing as a player.
Who's trying to be funny? You've never heard of the seriously talented gene? It's just science.

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11-12-2013, 04:19 PM
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Who's trying to be funny? You've never heard of the seriously talented gene? It's just science.
Its a caveat that needs to be made. If you're not talking about a highly touted player, its just possible that they suck and aren't NHL material.

Nobody would say that about guys like Yakupov, Zherdev, Burmistrov, Radulov, etc. Them being stubborn is what jeopardizes their NHL standing.

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Its a caveat that needs to be made. If you're not talking about a highly touted player, its just possible that they suck and aren't NHL material.

Nobody would say that about guys like Yakupov, Zherdev, Burmistrov, Radulov, etc. Them being stubborn is what jeopardizes their NHL standing.
I was reading in the history forum about Brett Lindros of 4 OHL goals before the draft was making demands on what teams he wants to play on and said he didn't want to play with Gretzky because his family doesn't like the Gretzkies.

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Serious question -- are seriously talented Russians the only players that seem to just shut down when confronted with any sort of adversity, or does it just seem that way?
You're being unfair, BRB - and you are definitely discriminating by painting them all with the same brush.

If there was a separate American league that paid as well as the NHL and offered about as much fame to American players, you know darn well that guys like Erik Johnson* would have gone there when his early career was on the rocks. Russians are unique in that they have the KHL where they can go to gain as much or more money and (more) recognition.

*Or was that Jack? Which was the one with the attitude problem? I always get them mixed up.


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I know you're trying to be funny, trying being the operative word, but other highly touted players tend to keep their mouths shut during the process of developing as a player.
Better to try and be funny than actually be blatantly xenophobic.

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You're being unfair, BRB - and you are definitely discriminating by painting them all with the same brush.

If there was a separate American league that paid as well as the NHL and offered about as much fame to American players, you know darn well that guys like Erik Johnson* would have gone there when his early career was on the rocks. Russians are unique in that they have the KHL where they can go to gain as much or more money and (more) recognition.

*Or was that Jack? Which was the one with the attitude problem? I always get them mixed up.
I was going to say "before someone calls me xenophobic" but some nincompoop already did, but Im searching for reasons why its situations with Russians that seemingly get so messy in public.

I guess the KHL ejector seat is the main culprit. These guys know they have a league thats easier to play in and pays pretty well waiting in their homeland. So why put up with any **** from these NHL coaches?

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11-12-2013, 04:42 PM
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Serious question -- are seriously talented Russians the only players that seem to just shut down when confronted with any sort of adversity, or does it just seem that way?
Well the reality is they have the KHL to go home to. They won't be looked at as a disappointment, or giving in to adversity. They are wanted in the KHL. I think a lot of people over there are hoping and wishing their players hate the NHL so they can see them as much as we'd get to. That's a huge variable all things considered.

If a Canadian or American can't hack it in the NHL and go to the KHL they have effectively failed, or just didn't have the skill. Big difference in the perception.

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I was going to say "before someone calls me xenophobic" but some nincompoop already did, but Im searching for reasons why its situations with Russians that seemingly get so messy in public.

I guess the KHL ejector seat is the main culprit. These guys know they have a league thats easier to play in and pays pretty well waiting in their homeland. So why put up with any **** from these NHL coaches?
Yup. And again, be careful painting them all with the same brush. For example, a guy like Grachev only returned to the KHL after he had tried for four years and wasn't able to stick in the NHL. You can hardly blame a guy at that point - he's given it his shot and he's going back while he can still make a meaningful career over there. Christian Dube, for example, went over to Switzerland a year younger, I believe.

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If the KHL didn't exist I don't think any of these kids go run back home so early, and they definitely would have tried harder.

If the KHL was around when Alex Kovalev was young, does he ever have the NHL career he had? I'm going to say probably not.

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So ****ing what if KHL is there for players to go to? Not only Russians go there, there are plenty of players who for one reason or another don't stay in the NHL that go there.
Be it minutes played, money, or playing style... who cares. The main thing is that the NHL is not the only big league anymore, and some people seem to take offense to that.
If anything its the NHLs problem, they are the one potentially losing star players.

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So ****ing what if KHL is there for players to go to? Not only Russians go there, there are plenty of players who for one reason or another don't stay in the NHL that go there.
Be it minutes played, money, or playing style... who cares. The main thing is that the NHL is not the only big league anymore, and some people seem to take offense to that.
If anything its the NHLs problem, they are the one potentially losing star players.
I don't think anyone takes offense to that at all, and you're right, so what?

Yes other players go there, but again it's a home country thing. You don't look like a failure in Russia playing in the KHL if you are a Russian.

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I don't think anyone takes offense to that at all, and you're right, so what?

Yes other players go there, but again it's a home country thing. You don't look like a failure in Russia playing in the KHL if you are a Russian.
But its not just Russians. European players in general. There are tons of swedes, fins etc that back in the day would try for the nhl. Now, KHL is a real option where in the 90s or earlier kids would only dream NHL

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So ****ing what if KHL is there for players to go to? Not only Russians go there, there are plenty of players who for one reason or another don't stay in the NHL that go there.
Be it minutes played, money, or playing style... who cares. The main thing is that the NHL is not the only big league anymore, and some people seem to take offense to that.
If anything its the NHLs problem, they are the one potentially losing star players.
I don't blame the players for doing it. But it absolutely is a huge risk when we are talking about shipping off multiple key assets for a player.

When any other country's version of Kovalchuk, Radulov, or Burmistrov heads east it will no longer be a "Russian" risk. But there is no denying it exists right now.

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But its not just Russians. European players in general. There are tons of swedes, fins etc that back in the day would try for the nhl. Now, KHL is a real option where in the 90s or earlier kids would only dream NHL
Yes, but do they only aspire to get to the KHL? I would find it hard to believe that there are kids out there dreaming about playing pro hockey someday and thinking, "Someday I want to play in the KHL, that's good enough for me." Maybe the kids who don't know what the NHL is.

Also if what you say is true, why don't we see players of other European nationalities throwing fits, demanding trades, and using the KHL as leverage? Right now it seems to be a uniquely Russian thing and I think it has much less to do with their work ethic or personalities, and much more to do with the appeal of the KHL to people from Russia.

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